Clichy has left. And Nasri in talks with Citeh.

Both would be stupid transfers. Who will replace Clichy, Gibbs?? :lol:

And we´d let Nasri join clubs in the same league, not only Mutd or Chelsea, which are already ahead of us, but also City, which seems to be catching up? :haha:

Wenger going from Bad to Worse, if this happens. It´s so boring :yawn:

But hey, as some people say, Nasri onle gave us some months of good football, so we´ll be fine bringing in any young shit that will eventually surpass him in 5-6 years, or even use part of the failed youngsters we have wandering around :doh:

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

Nasri's less than a year younger than Messi. If he ain't up there now, he'll never be.

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He's actually two days younger than Messi :lol:.

And yes, Nasri will never be on that level. Freaks like Messi and Ronaldo only come around once or twice a generation.

http://www.manchestercity.vitalfootb...e.asp?a=246133
£19mill????????

WOOOT
Wenger :bow:


Where as the express says...
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...l-double-swoop


*sigh*

There is a report that the Clichy to Man Shity deal will be announced tomorrow and that "it will cost £19 million while the player himself can expect to receive a salary of £110.000 a week."

Read more: http://www.manchestercity.vitalfootb...#ixzz1R3qo8zCy

If this is true, then Arsenal have done a very good bit of business.

Damn, beat me to it. :banghead::)

Ronaldo scored 12 goals in his 3rd season at ManU, scoring 4 and 9 goals in the two seasons prior.

Nasri has the ability to reach those levels (best player in the league), question is will he be given the right coaching and system in which to do so.

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Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng

I'm glad you raised this point, mate. The reason I think AW is correct is that by all accounts, Nasri wants upwards of £110K per week - parity with Fabregas. Now I agree 100% that we shouldn't be selling him to our rivals, and I've made my position on wholesale changes quite clear. But for me, the bottom line is twofold.

First - IMHO he hasn't done enough to merit either his demands or his behaviour. Injuries or no - he has given us barely 4 months of performances that merit what he is asking for, and tellingly he epitomised the team's falling off at the business end of the season. The highest paid player in the team should be carrying it - as Cesc has done in previous seasons - not being a passenger. And following the Adebayor debacle, AW is rightly wary of going the same way with a player who is not prepared to give 100% for the cause. Christ knows we have enough of these in our team.

Second - whatever Nasri's talent, I am inclined to be wary about what this episode says about him. Yes, its part of the modern game. But Tevez; Rooney and co. held their clubs to ransom having put in a lot more than 4 months of decent play. Refusing to sign a contract last Summer indicates to me that this move was calculated, and suggests a player, like Adebayor, motivated by money and arrogance. Will he suceed at Manure; Citeh or the Chavs? Well they can perhaps afford to take the risk more than we can because all their eggs aren't in one basket. It may be that more stellar company will bring the best out in him, but I'm not sure that this is a guy we want to depend on.

Where Wenger messed up was not loosening the purse strings just a little last season, the season before, to give Project Youth the tools it needed to win silverware, and encourage the likes of Nasri to commit to the club rather than running down their contracts. Trying the close the stable door after the horse has bolted by being panicked into giving this particular player more than he deserves now is not the right move, IMO. I'd rather the manager paid Cesc £150K per week to get him to stay. At least he has earnt the right to be the top paid player. Give Nasri north of £110K pw and every player who has given the club 15 good games will be wanting the same.

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Thats a top post and your two points are very difficult to argue. I agree that The longer this thing runs on the more it smells as this move was calculated. Be it is at may his contract is up and he has every right to be looking for that payday unlike Adebayor who signed a contract and then wanted to renegotiate after one year.

My perspective is that I believe he has played well for us for 1.5 seasons rather than 4 months and I think Wenger would say the same thing. His first season was a success in my opinion and I believe that he carried the team for the first half of last season. He was brilliant and the talk about him amongst the best in the world was deserved. He faded though, he looked tired and out of gas in the second half of the season much like Wilshere did. Having said that I do believe that what he has shown in the 1.5 seasons along with his talent and potential (lets remember hes still onlyy 23) are worth the $$$ hes asking for. Even other clubs agree with that as they are willing to pay him that money. You can speculate as to what their motives are but it is what it is, they believe that he is worth the risk/money.

As for his attitude, I believe the attitude of the team reflects the atttitude of the Manager. Wenger lets this team get away with alot of lacklustre performances. Get a Manager in that can keep his team focused and I believe that you would see differrent results.

Then there is the whole other issue on the impact of selling him has on the club. Even if we dont sell to a rival it shows that we cant keep hold of our top players and that we are willing to talk to anyone about any of our players if the price is right. This is becoming a big problem as having such a high turnover of quality players will not get you anywhere near a trophy. Its suicide. For me this outweighs the negatives of giving the money to Nasri.

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Ronaldo scored 12 goals in his 3rd season at ManU, scoring 4 and 9 goals in the two seasons prior.

Nasri has the ability to reach those levels (best player in the league), question is will he be given the right coaching and system in which to do so.

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So basically what you are saying is that you are an ABW (anyone but Wenger).

[QUOTE=AKBapologist;16677]Nasri's less than a year younger than Messi. If he ain't up there now, he'll never be.[/QUO

Im not saying hes going to be as good, im saying he will be talked about as being one of the best players in the world along with Messi and Ronaldo

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Ronaldo scored 12 goals in his 3rd season at ManU, scoring 4 and 9 goals in the two seasons prior.

Nasri has the ability to reach those levels (best player in the league), question is will he be given the right coaching and system in which to do so.

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Exactly!! Theres so much more yet to come from him. Sell him now and we will watch him become one of the best of the world somewhere else while we are sitting here twiddling our thumbs talking about how we never replaced Nasri properly.

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There you go again, you and your fucking plaque in Armoury Square. Even so, I'll let you know when I need you to tell me what constitutes a proper Arsenal supporter, if that's okay with you matey? 1965 has the edge on me, by a few years but not many. It just so happens I don't like seeing the club getting raped by a bunch of greedy cunts in Savile Row clobber, okay? If you want to suck their dicks and sing about the good times and the bad times then you get on and do that. But I want the business of the club to be conducted on the pitch rather than in some fucking estate agents office. It's about WINNING, sunshine - haven't you managed to figure that much out in 40 years? Not every year, not even most years. But you enter each and every fucking season with the intention of winning everything and finishing top of the tree and you try your damn hardest to ensure all the pieces are in place to ensure that happens. If you are happy to conclude that 6 years of neglect in the transfer market hasn't left AT LEAST £4mill down the back of the sofa in change then fine, but I'll stick with my assessment of how trivial that amount is considering how many pennies we've pinched over the years. We can moan and whine and fucking bleat about Chelsea and City all we want or we can spend the FEW QUID required to take us on to what we've been threatening to do for years, fucking win something! Wenger is full of shit. He's happy to spend £13million on shit like Koscielny and Squillaci but he can't raise the funds for a proper fucking defender. He'll stalk a pile of shit like Chamakh until he can get him for free (the tight wad) and then he'll pay the cunt who the fuck knows what in wages, but he won't pay Nasri the going rate (a rate which other clubs are prepared to pay). We can do the fucking poundstretcher thing all we want and the end result will be the same, everyone knows it including surely Wenger. Even he must have got a clue by now. How many years has he been fucking around with the defence just so he can avoid spending proper money on proper players? How much money has he pissed down the drain in the process? How many fucked-up games where the defence has killed us? I suppose it takes a real fan to just accept that and applaud every time the accountants give the thumbs up.

So here we are. A bunch of fucking losers in the boardroom. A fucking loser as a manager. A team of the most ridiculous losers you're ever likely to encounter in the history of the game - who collapses like us after all? And to be a good fan, well guess what - you need to be a loser too and you need to like it! Nah - not my style at all. I guess we've both got long memories and it's a long time since I've seen such a losing attitude at this club and I don't think I've ever seen a losing attitude held up as a virtue. Fuck each and every one of the losers, get me some winners and if they cost a MERE £4mill more than that tight wad is prepared to pay then fuck him out the door and get someone who will do what's fucking required to win. It's sport, not an accountancy lecture. I'll agree with this "prudent" shit once Man Utd, Chelsea and City are out of business - bankrupt.

Ain't happening - is it! Oops, another one of Wenger's grand theories hits the shitter.

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Rather than going off on a rant, it would be a good idea to actually answer the question the question I posed? Is it good business to consistently pay 30% higher than your valuation for something? Would you pay a 30% premium when buying a house?

he can't raise the funds for a proper fucking defender. I do not disagree but I would disagree in the assessment that Cahill is that proper fucking defender.

As for my reference to the Armoury Square plaque was to emphasise that I have supported the club long enough to have seen far worse times. The 1969 League Cup final being one.