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11-10-2011, 12:09 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

He's done an awful job of stripping out and replacing a team of world class players frankly, could have easily done a much better job.

Looking at the team in recent years there's been a distinct overall lack of top quality players, character, desire to win and leadership.

he lack of planning for departures has also been very amateurish, time and time again he's let our better players go with noone lined-up, he never learns unfortunately which is a big problem for us.

The guy gets far too much credit for the sh*tty job he's been doing in recent years.

I wouldn't say he's done an awful job with the players we've signed. He just hasn't been able to keep a hold of them, keep them fit, or get the best out of them.

We've had moments where the team looks like title contenders and then we've blown it.
11-10-2011, 12:20 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

He's done an awful job of stripping out and replacing a team of world class players frankly, could have easily done a much better job.

Looking at the team in recent years there's been a distinct overall lack of top quality players, character, desire to win and leadership.he lack of planning for departures has also been very amateurish, time and time again he's let our better players go with noone lined-up, he never learns unfortunately which is a big problem for us.

The guy gets far too much credit for the sh*tty job he's been doing in recent years.

he did that because the aim of the club was top 4 not winning the league no problems there. the only problem was the sqaud being arrogant and thinking all they had to do to win was turn up.
11-10-2011, 12:23 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

he did that because the aim of the club was top 4 not winning the league no problems there. the only problem was the sqaud being arrogant and thinking all they had to do to win was turn up.

More fool him then, he's a manager not an economist a manager should do his best in footballing terms and should leave the financials to the people that know about these and are employed to deal with that side.

In my eyes he's no longer a manager, he's decided he's now a financial expert with a bit of knowledge of football, he's clearly tactically inept and can't spot obvious footballing problems...doesn't make him good at management really.
11-10-2011, 12:26 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I wouldn't say he's done an awful job with the players we've signed. He just hasn't been able to keep a hold of them, keep them fit, or get the best out of them.

We've had moments where the team looks like title contenders and then we've blown it.

I don't think there's been that many good signings, his success rate has been pretty low. As for not holding onto them, a lot of it is down to him and his policies...if you prioritise the financial side over winning you're never going to convince players to shun bigger pay days to stay.....you can't keep failing and expect players to stick around. His blind faith and over nurturing has also created players who expect to get things rather that working to get them.

What's worse is he doesn't seem to be able to see beyond the end of his nose, the same patterns repeat themselves over and over and he never learns from them, didn't think it was possible to be so blind to the the reality of things.
11-10-2011, 12:29 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

More fool him then, he's a manager not an economist a manager should do his best in footballing terms and should leave the financials to the people that know about these and are employed to deal with that side.

In my eyes he's no longer a manager, he's decided he's now a financial expert with a bit of knowledge of football, he's clearly tactically inept and can't spot obvious footballing problems...doesn't make him good at management really.

Grimandi criticised the fans' failure to understand Arsenal's monetary issues in matching their demands to bring star quality to the Emirates.
"There are no proven big stars currently on the market," he said.
"Besides we are not competing on a level playing field with Manchester City and Chelsea.
"Our means are limited by comparison and our pay structure prevents us going crazy when we sign players.
"The fans want us to bring in star names, but they don't all grasp our economic limitations."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11670_7235008,00.html
11-10-2011, 12:34 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Grimandi criticised the fans' failure to understand Arsenal's monetary issues in matching their demands to bring star quality to the Emirates.
"There are no proven big stars currently on the market," he said.
"Besides we are not competing on a level playing field with Manchester City and Chelsea.
"Our means are limited by comparison and our pay structure prevents us going crazy when we sign players.
"The fans want us to bring in star names, but they don't all grasp our economic limitations."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11670_7235008,00.html

Economic limitations?

I don't think that's the issue at all, it more the fact we don't want to pay up!

There's been plenty of players we could have signed that would have improved us, trouble is Wenger is always either too slow or too cheap, when he's not he comes out with BS about not wanting to kill his kids who ironically stick two fingers up at him and leave whenever they feel like it.

A flawed policy and flawed manager, he could spend money on the right players but he chooses to play the cheap card everytime.

Noone expects 40 million pound signings, but we do expect some quality to come.....as for competing with Chelsea and City....are they still using that excuse....there are loads of players around and they can't buy them all!
11-10-2011, 12:40 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Economic limitations?

I don't think that's the issue at all, it more the fact we don't want to pay up!

There's been plenty of players we could have signed that would have improved us, trouble is Wenger is always either too slow or too cheap, when he's not he comes out with BS about not wanting to kill his kids who ironically stick two fingers up at him and leave whenever they feel like it.

A flawed policy and flawed manager, he could spend money on the right players but he chooses to play the cheap card everytime.

Noone expects 40 million pound signings, but we do expect some quality to come.....as for competing with Chelsea and City....are they still using that excuse....there are loads of players around and they can't buy them all!

I agree with your whole post and what you say is right, there is players out there fine, but lets be real most gooners want big players now don't they. when he says compete with the chavs and city i think he means on a wages structure we can't do that and it would be silly to pretend we could just offer anything above 140K a week. Lots of big players want big moneys that we can't afford thats the problem. But i agree we can be slow on transfers which is frustating.

really we should have our tagerts for Jan window now make sure a repeat of summer does not happen again.
11-10-2011, 12:42 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I wouldn't say he's done an awful job with the players we've signed. He just hasn't been able to keep a hold of them, keep them fit, or get the best out of them.

We've had moments where the team looks like title contenders and then we've blown it.

this is where you could blame the manager for not addressing the menatal problems or the players for not standing up and be counted for.
11-10-2011, 12:47 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

I agree with your whole post and what you say is right, there is players out there fine, but lets be real most gooners want big players now don't they. when he says compete with the chavs and city i think he means on a wages structure we can't do that and it would be silly to pretend we could just offer anything above 140K a week. Lots of big players want big moneys that we can't afford thats the problem. But i agree we can be slow on transfers which is frustating.

really we should have our tagerts for Jan window now make sure a repeat of summer does not happen again.

I don't think we'll see much in January, we'll improve a bit between now and then and Wenger will have his excuses ready, "there's noone available", "we have x and y and z is coming back from injury and will be like a new signing", "I have a big squad", "it's not fair on the kids" etc etc.

As for having players we want to sign on our list now, we don't have them when we reach the end of a transfer window so we won't have them when we get to January it's been shown that we don't plan at all.
11-10-2011, 02:06 PM
fakeyank

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Originally Posted by Flavs

- Wenger and the Players
- Wenger and the Board
- The players, Wenger and the board.

Yes, the players are supposed to be motivated and they are.. but when the chips are down, you need a manager or experienced players to step up. Who is the reason we dont have experienced players on the squad? Arsene Wenger..

You are telling me the board wouldve said no to AW bringing in Scott Parker, PV4 (when he was available) or a defensive coach. If you think yes, that is absolute bollocks!

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