and of all the times to bring out the news, on the eve of their biggest game of the season. just when german football was looking decent too.
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and of all the times to bring out the news, on the eve of their biggest game of the season. just when german football was looking decent too.
Hope they win the CL.
That's funny, I don't remember us winning titles in the last few years, no do I remember the Dortmund manager saying 4th place is a great achievement. :unsure:
Ballack made the same move from Bayern Leverkusen when he was on the rise. It makes the league uncompetitive. If Dortmund lose all their stars then it's an easy league win for Bayern again next year.
It's still looking decent, Bayern are looking pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Dortmund have got a fair amount of top players anyhow.
We should go after Lewandowski tbf.
Yeah, seems like Lewandowski and Hummels could be leaving too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
One step forward, two steps back.
Dortmund still have players like Reus,Santana,Lewandowski,Hummels, so they're still up there.
But they were pretty far off in the bundesliga with all these players so they're only going to go lower in the league.
If only we could get one or two from that list
They will probably lose some of those other players too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
They're gonna get raided for their players. Reminds me of our first league win under Wenger. Dortmund will have to prove they're a long term dominant force in the league to convince players to stay.
I guess that's very possible, we'll have to see who they replace them with if they do I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
winning the league twice, finishing runners up should be pretty convincing. not sure what else you can do apart from be the main competitor for the league.
You say that but their best player has gone to their rivals and this current team is probably on the verge of a break up. Klopp will have to rebuild a new team and do it again. It’s too short of a time frame to consider Dortmund as one of the elite clubs. They have/had an elite team but it all depends on what happens after that and if they can sustain the success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
you can never prove it if you are not given the chance and they done everything possible to ensure the players had the platform to build on it. there is nothing else they could've done. winning the league twice in three years, hitting the cl semi's too should show they are heading in the right direction. you can't invent a history (even though they are a pretty successful club) so what else can they do?
So last year Dortmund sold kagawa to a bigger club, this year goetze to main rivals and lewandoski is likely to go too. Klopp sounds like perfect wenger replacement
There are bigger clubs out there and players will always be drawn to them. Dortmund will have to keep on plugging away until they a establish a long term reputation. The last 3 years isn’t enough to establish that and build a legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
That's the food chain for you. Bayern will always be the most influential and dominant club in Germany, Dortmund are a great club in their own right but that's the way it is over there. Sucks I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
It's over. :rose:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I just hope they go mental now and splurge it on a Lewandowski replacement. A certain tall, Geordie called Andy Carroll. :pray:
Saying that, the sympathy for Dortmund; they're probably going to do the same to someone else. That's football...
Was surprised he stayed in Germany although I never thought he would be on his way to us! He is stll young enough to see out one contract with BM and then move I suppose.
Any players looking likely to leave BM? No doubt Pep will give the squad the once over when he takes the reins proper.
Still means that we need to make additions . . .70mi, yeah righ but if it were true I could do the lot o a package of Lewdo, Capoue and Isco. Still need a CB and GK. . .hmmmmm
Pep will walk the league with them next year.
obviously. but what else can they do? you can't build anything long term if your best players are sucked out every few years. we know that ourselves. dortmund have done everything possible to establish themselves but it comes down to ****hole players who cannot look at the longterm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
And everyone will hail him as a great manager. . .get Klopp™Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
He'll have to win the CL for it to be any sort of achievement, Bayern are miles ahead in the title race this year so it would be hard to better that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That’s my view as well. Winning the league there isn’t a big deal for a club of that size and with their track record. The main objective must be Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Awesome signing for Bayern. That's a good price too!
So if they won the CL this year. . ? World domination? Didnt a small guy with a dodgy mustache try that already?
I wouldn’t begrudge a player wanting a new challenge after already winning the league twice. It’s up to the club to replace the players that leave which is what we haven’t done. It’s not like our situation at Arsenal. We sold star players and never replaced them. If Dortmund do the same then they’ll fall away from the elites like we have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
I do not have a mustache, dodgy or otherwise :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
makes sense. he can stay in germany and....continue winning the league. the cl may arrive once or twice in his career if he's lucky but his current club are well on the way towards similar targets. you mentioned it is up to a club to prove they are one of the elite, so apart from winning the league, becoming one of the best teams in europe and seriously competing for the premier european prize, what else can they do to their current crop of players to prove it is worth staying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Look more closely at the stinking agents who infest this game. They'd be hanged as spies and traitors in other walks of life - or be called lobbyists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
It's not going to be otherwise, in truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
They could increase the fee they pay agents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
They'll continue to lose players for a while, if they reinvest the money in quality and show ambition eventually players will realise they are serious about consistent success and want to stay on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Ambition plays a big part and that's not simply down to putting a group of players together, when you lose someone you have to show you're willing to re-invest it in quality and to continue moving forward. The other way is big investment which obviously isn't going to happen.
We'd done that hard work a number of years ago but then decided we no longer wanted to compete and thus have gone backwards, we'd now need to build again and change the perception that we're a selling club.
ambition you say? so none of the above things i listed demonstrate that at all? give me a break.
As said before and Zimm has just said the same, they have to remain ambitious. The current crop probably have dreams of playing for bigger teams but over time, 10 years from now, if Dortmund remain ambitious, there will be future young players that will want a long career at Dortmund. It’s what we had when RVP joined and the other young players. They grew up watching us win titles and wanted a part of it. Unfortunately, we haven’t come close to repeating that winning formula and we’re now only interested in balancing the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
2-3 seasons isn't really ambition, it's just putting together a good group of players who happen to be good enough to win, this can be due to circumstances, this can happen at any reasonably sized club, it doesn't show you're one of the big players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Sustained success or big investment do however.
Big investment is ambitious but battling to the top with limited resources may not be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
you know what ambition means right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga
Yep, they will be serious contenders for CL too...they kind of are this season but their team does need upgrading in a few places to be on par with Barca.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
They are very close though.
Goetze is a brilliant signing for them, he'll be world class in the next year or two, top top player.