I didn't make any comment of the quality, just that he signs strikers. :lol:
And Wiltord! How can you forget his name?!
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I didn't make any comment of the quality, just that he signs strikers. :lol:
And Wiltord! How can you forget his name?!
Brain freeze...Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I just hope he doesnt bring Sanogo back claiming he is a new signing. Giroud has reached his ceiling and will never get more than 20 goals a season especially not in the tight games. Sadly improvements on Olivier are not readily available
Oh god, I wish you didn't put that thought in my head...Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
If the report about Vidal is true then forget that Morgan kid at Southampton.
Wenger will probably add another attacking player, but he probably won't be a centre forward as such...
I'd prefer Morgan to Vidal tbh.
Probably cheaper, PL ready and doesn't have Vidal's injury record.
I reckon Vidal would pull a Falcoa, Schvechenko, Veron etc etc if he came to the PL.
From what I've seen Vidal's a different class of player. Not confident that Schneiderlin would dominate a Real Madrid midfield over 2 legs. But if he has injury problems then forget it. That is the class of player we should be aiming for. No more projects, utility players or decent hardworking talents. Would rather have Arsenal spend £50m on Sterling and sign nobody else. Better to have 1 top player than a collection of squad fillers.
That said, Schneiderlin would be a welcome signing. About the same level as Coquelin, but adds a bit more height and gives us cover in that position. We have cover for all the rest.
Cech and a worldie in any position. Sterling, Reus, Vidal, Bale, Cavani whoever. If that doesn't work out then start looking for Bentekes and Schneiderlins.
I think not having to play a play off to get into the CL next season should help are bargaining power and make us a more attractive prospect for the top players.
Isn't Vidal a box to box midfielder? He's much better than anything we've got but I can't see Wenger forking out for him when he's struggling to give games to the ones we already have. I said the same thing about Ozil though, so what do I know.
Schneiderlin is probably better suited but, if the past tells us anything, Wenger is never going to spend big on a DM. Just thank the footballing gods that we lucked out with Coquelin and pray he doesn't get a long term injury.
Good comments above but what if Coquelin is out for 3 weeks or more, who would fill in.
I hope Flamini and Arteta are gone in the summer but they are not good enough anyway, especially against the big teams.
It might fall to Chambers but we need somebody better and I think Wenger will do it, but I doubt it will be Schniederlin.
Based on what? It's far easier for that kind of outcome with a forward than a midfielder. There are less examples of midfielders with the quality of Veron going to another league and failing to live up to expectation to that extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
I think beyond the Pogba hype (which is mostly justified), Vidal has been the stand out player for Juventus the past few years and I'd include their strikers in that. As a midfielder he can do everything. He can provide the defensive cover we need under instruction and in games where the opposition are parking the bus he can provide the impetus going forward. He is a much better footballer than Morgan imo, should rightfully cost more and we should be willing to pay it, unless we simply want an 'understudy' to Coquelin rather than somebody to genuinely improve the team and squad. I would also say in Vidal's favour, he tends to move the ball pretty quickly and will be used to a quick tempo game with Chile.
I think Juventus tend to have a solid yet flexible midfield because Marchisio, Pogba, Vidal and to some extent Pirlo have excellent all round games....that will also mean they would probably be willing to lose one of them.
I would probably sign Benteke ahead of Cavani too.
Cavani is top drawer. He is the kind of striker that would get you the first goal in a big game. Benteke is decent and is mostly a form player but isn't at that level yet imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Ever since he left Italy I've been less and less impressed with him....honestly, I've seen him miss more chances than take them. Had he taken the sort of chances his price tag suggests he does, PSG may have stayed in the CL a little longer and Uruguay might have done better He has been shown up by Suarez countless times and shown up by Diego Forlan a couple of times. Benteke will get better. He had a goal drought as most strikers do from time to time, but under the right guidance he can be amongst the top 3 forwards in the league imo.
...and Cavani would cost 20 million more and is far from certain to adapt to this league. Watch FatCow stumble about the place sends alarm bells ringing....
Need to improve the spine of the team & be more ruthless in the market.
Cech in - sell Sir Ches.
Vidal in - get rid of Famini ( didn't need to give Arteta another contract either )
Benzema in - sell Giroud to help fund.
Sterling in - use Theo as swap deal.
We also need quality CB to partner Kos - with Gabriel as 3rd choice. If Merts can't play at Interntional level anymore, he shouldn't be playing Premier League.
People will say that we shouldn't sell Giroud or Theo but they have had more than enough time & opportunities to prove that they can consistently produce the quality required at the top level. Unfortunately, neither has. Giroud single-handedly knocked us out of the Champions League with a shocking display of finishing. This will happen time & time again with him.
Sterling is a younger version of Theo & we know Theo is built like a Chocolate teapot. He will spend large parts of most seasons injured. Sterling has already shown a degree of consistency at Liverpool & I believe with the players we have he could become an extra special player.
We have put up with players that lack actual quality for far too long. We will never win a title with Giroud as our main striker so why keep him. We won't win one with Welbeck either but he's got better physical attributes than Giroud, can play in a wider position & he helps fulfill our English quota.
Lets start having proper quality in all positions, not be happy to put up with mediocre players that Wenger hopes will one day turn into something good - he has lost his magic touch in that department. The signing of Alexis should prove that you get quicker & better results when you spend on quality. We are now in a position to do so.
Mainly based on his age (28), his recent injury record and the type of player he is (high energy, box to box). In Italy where the league is a lot slower and also considerably less intense & competitive he's been able to get away with the latter, but I think it would punish him in England. Yes he has been impressive at Juventus, no doubt about that but Seria A is dog shit these days and a poor way to judge players. We'd steamroller that league every year if we were in it. He's been good in the CL this year but I disagree with Syn's assessment of him being outstanding against Madrid; it was more Madrid's incompetence and wastefulness that cost them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Maybe saying he'd flop as bad as them is a bit harsh, but honestly it wouldn't surprise me if he deteriorated significantly after a few years. I think we'd get one or two years out of him which for me, considering the ridicolous money and resources we'd have to spunk on him just isn't worth it for a club like us. Maybe for a Man City and their infinite resources and short-termism but for us no.
In fact I'd generally avoid players 28 or over in midfield or up front. I think 22 - 25 is the age bracket we should be shopping for in those positions.
It's unfair to judge a player based on the quality of the league. Sanchez earned his stripes in Serie A, Luis Saurez was killing it at Ajax before he moved to Liverpool. Sometimes you just have to judge on talent and buy based on what's required for your system. It's the teams that stock pile and buy players that have they have no business buying that have really good players looking suspect when coming over to a new league. When buying, you need to make sure you have a need for that player and you have a system for him to play in.
Benzema will not suit the PL. He is good because he plays for Madrid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
You have a point about the age thing....I'd not considered that too deeply. All I would say is that there comes a point when a player is so good he negates his slightly advanced years. After all, none of us would turn our nose up at somebody as good as Suarez because he was 28.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
The Italian league is a lot slower, the Spanish league is less physical and every other league is plainly not as good (though I know it's fashionable these days to do the Prem down) so there's always going to be a reason not to buy abroad....so I'm not sure how much actual weight him coming from the Italian league carries. I would agree that of course it factors in any appraisal though.
Monaco have shown that we aren't at Juventus' level never mind Barca/Real's so why would we steamroller the Italian league? I think we would probably finish a very comfortable second. Juventus seldom lose a game in any competition.
Juventus and Italian clubs in general are far from flush and have been modest on their spending for some time now. I think Juventus would only dismiss an offer of less than 20 million. That's not to say we'd get him for that figure but it would certainly bring us to the table. People are talking around the 25-30 million mark for Morgan at Southampton so I don't see that Vidal must be attained for an astronomical fee.
If you want to sign an established certified ready made world class player of experience, but yet not, over the hill age who has won titles then 20-30 million is certainly not unreasonable.
They would win the league without Vidal and it would help keep them ahead of the pack in Italy at least. I wasn't overly aware he had a poor injury record and I don't know what the numbers are so you may well be perfectly correct there?
Would love Cech but think Jose will heavily influence him to go anywhere but us.
It's so cool you have picked GW to post on. It's an honour. Brilliant first season btw, one of the best I have seen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanchez
Got to see a bit of Vidal through Juve march to CLCF and he seems to play with the same energy level/passion as Sanchez which could be immense for us and on that he is worth keeping tabs on.....only just saw the age thing and I must admit it did make me think but not for long enough to change my mind however if it means paying a bit more than I think Morgan has to be DM target #1 - I can see him becoming a quality player for us and one that can strike the right balance in the centre of the park.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32904961
Liverpool :haha:.
1 goal all season. Why don't they sack him? It would be perfectly legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Someone has to take over from Enrique as Chief Party Organiser.
He's more suited than Giroud.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
I don't get this 'not suited for the Prem' argument. No basis for such claims. If lightweight Ozil can roll his sleeves up in this league, surely a guy as big as Benzema can do the same.
Dont mind Benzema beats Giroud in every possible category except GQ poster abilityQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
If we're going to stick with the type of game we play then we need an Aguero or Suarez rather than a Benzema or Cavani. I think the club should start spreading false stories about Suarez and hire some old lady to pose as a long lost relative from London, proving he has Arsenal DNA. Next time anyone from the club meets him we should force an Arsenal shirt over his head. Your typical transfer activity.
We can only pray this one is pure media bullshit without an ounce of truth.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...orcements.html
Ozil, Sanchez, then this guy? It would be classic, classic WUMger.
I would like Jackson Martinez. Tall, strong, agile, explosive finisher, ticks all the boxes really. He's averaged 30 goals a season for a few years now, ok granted not in the strongest league but he scored 8 goals in the CL this year as well. Most of the strikers we buy tend to come with average scoring records and I think it's time we took punt on someone more prolific.
The only issue I have with Martinez is he'll be approaching 29. Ideally I'd like someone younger but if he can improve us then why not?
as NQ says, we really need an explosive type striker, obviously the likes of Aguero and Suarez are impossible to get but someone of that ilk would push us to the next level.
I havent seen enough of this Martinez guy to pass judgment but it sounds like he is the kinda striker we need and has a god scoring record. For those who say Portugal isnt the strongest league, look at Giroud who got 21 goals in France before he came here and has since improved and managed to get a decent scoring rate going, so i dont think Martinez would have any issues really.
The Daily Heil will link us to a different player every single day, just like last summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It is bollocks.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32926238Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Liverpool :haha: 2
Do Liverpool realise that they can buy from other clubs outside of Southampton? :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
Rodgers has a bigger full-back fetish than Rafa.
I do wonder about the people at Liverpool sometimes.
Absolute amateurs.
Benzema is going to be 28 this year and I cannot see him hustle and bustle with the GHEL's of the league. I have not seen one game of his in which he has stood out as an exceptional talent. He is a good striker playing for a very very good team... Of course he could come and hit the ground running but I do not see him having what it takes to succeed in the PL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Most importantly, he is not worth it for the cost he'll come at.. I'd rather we go for someone like Lewandowski for that price. I'd even take Benteke and Lukaku over him, and I think they'd be cheaper than him too.
Clyne is decent though, better than most of the dross Rogers has bought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss, I guess
Ings and Milner though :haha: