Hamilton, "I'm actually in the lead right now...", :haha:
Fuck off Mercedes, stop trying to kill the race.
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Hamilton, "I'm actually in the lead right now...", :haha:
Fuck off Mercedes, stop trying to kill the race.
Hamilton is being a complete dick. :lol:
:popcorn:
Congrats to Nico
I hope Hamilton is a better loser than Rosberg was last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Do F1 a favour and fuck off Mercedes. How can they be giving instructions to one of their drivers to lose the title? Corporate shits.
Team orders isn't anything new unfortunatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Personally i think it's just as ridiculous that Rosberg won the title, as for me it should always be about who wins the most races
Then again arguably you could make that argument to take Hamilton's title from him in 2008 (although he would have had more races wins than Massa if the stewards hadn't stolen the Belgian Grand Prix victory from him)
Team orders to secure the constructor's championship, which they had already done. So this is basically them telling one driver to lose a title so the other one can win it. Mercedes had nothing to lose except a race that could have no bearing on them winning both titles, one way or the other. I can't claim Hamilton is one of my favourite people, but with the constructor's title in the bag he has every right to try and win a title today. Hell, other teams have seen their drivers bash each other off the track on the first lap. Today Hamilton was winning the race and trying to do whatever else he could, all within the rules, to win the title. How the team can find fault with that is incredible and illustrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Ferrari have applied team orders not just for the constructors championship but in favour of one driver over another, in 2002 Rubens Barichello was ordered to let Schumacher over take him, and there was already a Ferrari 1-2 at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I'm not saying it's right because it clearly isn't, what I'm saying is Mercedes wouldn't be the first to do it.
I don't have an issue with Lewis Hamilton, he is arrogant and can get agressive but he wants to win and today was another example of that. I think Mercedes did everything in its power to give Rosberg the title this season in order to placate him, and it's Rosberg who has been far more guilty of petulence and dirty tricks on the track.
Didn't watch the race but sounds like Mercedes have favoured Rosberg again. It's been that way since the end of last season and giving instructions to Hamilton to ensure Rosberg wins the title is as low as it gets. Fix of a season.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38185846
Rosberg retires????
WTF???
I am actually shocked.
Never seen anything like that before.
Tosser
Wow. Good for him. He's left several million tons of cash on the table and a tribe of marketing scumbags speechless for once. Respect.
well that's certainly a positive spin. And had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he knew that he wasn't in Hamilton's league and this was as good as it got for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
Except he's beaten Hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Well depends if you count having it handed to you on a plate by your team and then actually managing to win less races than the guy you "beat" or notQuote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
Regardless, if he believed that in a fair battle he could beat Hamilton he wouldn't have retired.
Oh come off it. There's no more privileged driver in F1 than Hamilton. He's never sat in anything bar the fastest car, so if Rosberg's pedigree is under examination then Hamilton's should be too. I've watched races where Hamilton dominated Rosberg and vice versa, it has been a fairly close battle over the last few seasons and while Hamilton has come out on top overall he's hardly head and shoulders above. Sometimes you just have to give some credit to the guy who fulfils such a rare ambition. Formula 1 world champ. You don't get there by being afraid to race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Hamilton is of course in the fastest car (just like Rosberg), but actually no whenever they have gone directly head to head Hamilton has almost always come out on top and last season won the F1 championship by quite some way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
If Mercedes had not bent over backwards to placate their fellow German there would never have been a contest. And it's not British bias either, i am well aware that Hamilton is an arrogant tool but sometimes mediocre drivers win the F1 Championship and Rosberg is an example of this.
Hamilton is the better driver. Rosberg would shit his pants when it comes to wheel to wheel action. Listen to his comments about not enjoying the final race and you can see why he's retired.
When was the last time we've had a world champ that wasn't in one of the fastest cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
THE fastest car. We know Mansell, Senna, Schumacher, Vettel were all fast in shit buckets. Hamilton never had that test. Last guy to win it without having a massive advantage under his arse was Raikonnen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Red Bull had the best car when Vettel won. Vettel's been in a shit bucket with Ferrari this season and didn't win a race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
The logic being what? People are complaining about some sort of agenda against Hamilton whereas in fact he's had all the advantages throughout his career. He's the least likely candidate you could say has been disadvantaged. He's not alone. Vettel and Schumacher sat in markedly superior cars, though never with as much advantage on all tracks and in all conditions as these Mercedes seem to have. We haven't seen such an advantage since back in the days of the ridiculous Reno turbos. Plenty of others have taken advantage of the best equipment and that's how it will go in the future, it's not surprising, it's just a fact. But if we call all those drivers worthy champions then why is Rosberg the exception? Hamilton had the car to beat him and he didn't. Last year it was the other way around. So either they are both worthy champions or neither is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Hamilton does have a clear advantage to the rest of the field and no one has disputed that, the point is whether Rosberg was favoured over Hamilton by Mercedes this season and I would argue that there are very strong indicators of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
Would I and everyone who watches F1 prefer a level playing field where everyone drives a same performance car? I'd love that....that would be fantastic for the sport. But it's not going to happen especially as long as that greedy old fuck Bernie Ecclestone remains at the helm.
Of course there has always been a hierarchy of quality at F1, the difference is it's got worse especially in the last ten years.
But I would say there is a strong case to make that Hamilton would come out on top anyway, he's a better driver than his nearest competitors in terms of raw ability (Vettel and Alonso).
Logic being you got your facts wrong about Vettel. He didn't win a single GP this season. I rate Hamilton because even when he's had a shit car he has pushed it to it's limits. He's something else in wet conditions and thrives off the pressure. I can't say the same about Rosberg. The fact that he's retiring and not defending his title is suspicious for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
Most of the titles over the last 10 years have come down to whichever team has the best car and tech. It's nothing new. But my preference when it comes to drivers, Hamilton, Riccardo, Alonso and if Mad Max can learn from his mistakes and keep up the brilliant performances, he'll be up there. I prefer racers.
Vettel was a great racer when he was younger, and he wasn't sitting in a McLaren. We don't know if Hamilton is a great racer, all we know is he's fast in the best car. But not as fast on as many occasions as Rosberg, it turns out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I thought you watched F1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn
Ah well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38185582
'Nico Rosberg retires: 'A classy move from a classy man'
Or a wimp?
Hamilton is undoubtedly faster than Rosberg. It's not even close.
When all is said and done, Lewis Hamilton will be talked about in the same breath as Senna, Prost, Schumacher.
Rosberg will get thrown in with Hill, Villeneuve and Alan Jones.
He knows he can't defend that title. He doesn't enjoy the pressure and has been down a long time so he' s cashing out. It makes me even more suspicious of Mercedes. Nico was a complete mess last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
Showed nerve to hold out for the title but this is a real bitch move. A real champion comes back to put his hard work on the line, not runs away scared of grafting for it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
I really hope lewis isn't talked about in the same breath as those greats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Donald J Trump
Anyway I thought you were a mclaren fan?
I am, and he will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by adzzzbatch
He has over 50 GP wins under his belt. He's already in the history books with the greats with that record.
Precisely, only Schumacher has won more F1 races than himQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
To win your first title in only your second season in the sport is also extraordinary
And missed out in his first by a single point. And he's only 8 away from the all-time pole record. He's a special talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Plus in his debut season his driving partner is Alonso! The defending F1 Champion!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38219533
Mercedes: Fernando Alonso could partner Lewis Hamilton - Toto Wolff
Now there's a match made in hell!
