What would be a realistic bid?
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What would be a realistic bid?
Surely we could tempt Aumebyang by throwing lot of dosh his way?
Lukaku should be so much better than he is, seems like he is coasting his way through his career to me.
This is the one rumour I want to be true. The last time I wanted a striker as much was when Arsene was thinking about signing F Torres before he stuck his faith in a Bendtner -and Liverpool didn't waste any time or money. Morata is an excellent player -and Ozil would be the perfect partner for him. Morata, Sanchez and Ozil would be fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yeah. Benzema.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Lukaku isn't even a upgrade on Giroud. Can't you tell the difference between a bog standard journeyman and a player? Lukaku would bash and batter his way to about as many goals as Bif I reckon. Maybe a few more, but not enough t make a difference. Let the chavs or gypos take him. And ideally Liverpool take Ibra. But that won't happen either. Ibra knows how to be in the right place at the right time, that's probably his biggest attribute.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
We do. Which is why most of this is academic. If we don't splash big for a player that has so much character and drive that even Wenger can't bring him down then we're wasting time. But of course Wenger has that covered, he never spends what is really needed. So maybe the best bet is to be hoping he lucks in on a younger player who comes good fast. Everyone's laughing at Rashford but he's a hell of player. Amazing we haven't seen something like that come through the ranks considering Wenger is such a genius with young players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
You said it. Wants Torres - goes with Bendtner. That should be the strapline on Wenger's book he'll write some day and all the psychiatrists will devour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
We signed Eduardo when Liverpool signed Torres. In addition, we had RVP and Adebayor at the time as the strikers ahead of Bendtner.
It seems that people are just making events up to back their viewpoints.
Wenger has made some daft decisions but wow is the revisionism strong on here.
He's 23 and scoring more each season having had a quick look at his stats. Scored more than Giroud in a team that really did become a shambles. He has his faults and areas to improve on but I can't see us attracting a genuine world class striker and I think he's as good a bet as any in terms of potential and will guarantee a certain level of return too.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Everton were pathetic so I think I'd give Lukaku the benefit of the doubt for the end of season tail off. His scoring record for West Brom and Everton is very good so it's fair to suggest he could become a serious player in a better team.
My only reservation about him is that he can be a bit of an oaf, he's not a very polished striker. He reminds of a bit of Adebayor when he first joined us. WUMger managed to elevate his game though so I think he could do the same again.
I'd certainly be wary of the £50m+ price tag though, think we could probably spend that better but if we're talking about Premier League ready solutions, then Lukaku fits the bill.
The commentary revolves around Wenger's unfailing ability to allow gaps to develop that are never plugged. And as bonus material when the threat of a gap exists he knows how to exploit that too and ensure we fall right into it. There's no revisionism. This guy has been leaving the squad light for over a decade. He had his money excuses for much of that period, now his excuse is he can't find anyone better than what we have. An obvious lie. I think the wow factor should be pinned on how long he's managed to get away with it. The 2% away from domination thing is an in-joke and exaggeration, but built on a truth. Negligence is the best word to sum it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I would probably highlight 2010 when we signed Chamakh as the problem season. RVP was often out injured but for some reason we went for Chamakh of all players. A good bunch of strikers were floating around Europe at the time but we went for Chamakh.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
We've started European ties with Sanogo leading the line. There's no hiding place for this guy now. The game is up. It's only because we have nobody with footballing ambition at head office that Wenger keeps his seat. At a real football club a manager this incompetent and negligent would have been booted years ago, but we aren't a football club, we're an investment house. A good one, granted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Surprisingly, Sanoogogoals was pretty good against Bayern, well from what we all expected :lol:
I'd play him over Giroud too, atleast he makes himself a nuisance to defend against
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Originally Posted by Kano
I have a feeling Wenger will have looked at the two and decided that he already has a similar(ish) skill set in a forward in Welbeck. I'm only going off stats on shitty old Squawka here, but if they're accurate then there doesn't look to be a whole lot in it per 90 minutes - not £50m+ worth of difference anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Giroud - Welbeck - Lukaku stats >
By far the biggest thing that Lukaku has in his favour there is that very first stat: he's been available for over 3000 minutes of football whereas Welbeck has barely clocked 500! But it doesn't really matter much how we read it - the important thing here is how Wenger will see it, and I can already hear him saying "I already have Danny Welbeck - what would I do with them all when he's fit?"
His movement and link up play was exceptional. It's just his finishing and how clumsy he looks in front of goal. No shot technique. Can never sort his feet out quick enough to get a clean shot and even if he did he's scuffing the shot and the balls bobbling wide or straight to the keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
If we're even talking as if Sanogo has a place on the pitch in an Arsenal shirt under any circumstances, ever, then it shows how far our expectations and ambitions have fallen. Wenger has done a real number on this club. Can you see Sanogo running out for Barcelona? It would be ridiculous. The fans there would think it was April Fools, they'd laugh until they realised it was serious and then they'd be outraged and the manager's time would be up. Barcelona is one of the clubs we were supposed to be trading punches with by now, a decade after the grand financial plan swung into action. So maybe the plan didn't work out but that hasn't stopped the instigators cashing-in again and again. One way street. Anyway, let's just say we're not seriously competing with Barcelona right now. Is it still the plan to do that at some time in the future?
Well let's stop talking about Lukaku then, because that's ridiculous too. Especially at £50mill.
Proper players required now please. Spend the fucking money!
For some reason?....you know exactly why we went for himQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I don't wish to be rude, but I've read some dumb stuff on here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Even waited the year until the price was just the way we like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The joke was we paid him about 80k a week as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No, the real joke was we were all sitting there waiting for the guy to show us something. Every time a striker comes in, same story. Giroud, is he the one? Chamakh? This is the guy. Sanogo - well hold on a minute, something's wrong here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Wright, Bergkamp, Henry, Wiltord, RvC...
Bif, Lily and Postie?
Somebody's having a laugh!
you are really mentioning Wiltord in the same annuls as Wright, Henry, Bergkamp and that other dutch toerag?
Wiltord is certainly no better than Giroud, the difference is that Wiltord wasn't played as our main striker.....
Steady on here. Wiltord may have been behind Henry and Bergkamp, but he is a better striker than Giroud ever was. Do you remember Wiltord ever having a mare in front of goal. Do you think Giroud could ever score the goals that wiltord scored fpor us. the winner in a tight game like he did to win us the title at OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
None of our current strikeforce is good enough to clean the man boots.
Wiltord was often terrible in front of goal and he was never prolific....i think we are crying for the moonQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Yes Giroud played more games than Wiltord, but he has massively outscored him in the same period of time that Wiltord played for the club.
That's what is frustrating, Giroud is a decent squad striker about the same level of someone like Wiltord but should not be starting week in, week out and if he wasn't....i don't think people would be so scathing of him.
Giroud and Welbeck are good backups if we actually had a decent 25+ front man
Well, what are we bloody waiting for??
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a6972581.html
Terrible in front of goal. Really?. Im sure you cannot remember a single game that he was terrible in. Giroud on the other hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Giroud is 2nd rate always has been on that we are agreed.
Wiltord on the other hand has scored goals that have been crucial for both club and country
Yep. He was cheap. But there are plenty of decent free agents hanging around that we don't go for. Why we stuck our necks out for this one, I really don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I remember Wiltord saying that he and Wenger used to have blazing rows in his last season or so at the club which almost led to both men coming to blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Arsene wont sign him anymore, too expensive and would hinder the progress of Sanogo and AkpomQuote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Wiltord got 49 goals in 173 games for usQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Giroud has scored 82 in 188
If Giroud has scored in less crucial games internationally (i only remember Wiltord scoring the one goal in euro 2000 that counted as crucial) it's because France has diminished as a quality team compared to what it was, rather like Arsenal in that respect.
Some massive revisionism going on here.
We all love Wiltord for the goal at Old Trafford, but he was certainly no better than Giroud. Not by any stretch.
No comparison. Wiltord was played as a winger.
More often than not he played as a second strikerQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Bergkamp certainly wasn't playing every game for us and they used to alternate
Yes Wiltord did play on the wing at times, but not that often because Ljungberg and Pires played there
Wiltord was a decent squad player, Giroud is a decent squad player.....the difference i reiterate is that one was used as a squad player the other is used as our no1 choice striker.
Giroud would be fine as a number 2 striker but he's nowhere near good enough to be relied on over the course of a season. I think his attitude is questionable and that manifests itself on the field with his little tantrums and wrestling matches with markers he can't get the better of.
Of course not. What I'm saying is we had standards and those standards have entirely disappeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Because the same players we could pull out of obscurity and get for cheap, are no longer obscure and no longer cheap and Wenger's magic hat has a hole in the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Can we afford to buy these same players?.....of course. But what's the fun for Wenger is buying established or prodigious talent when everyone knew how good that player was to begin with.
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Forget about Wiltord then. I included Theo in that list too, he's the invisible one. Wenger has been fucking the club with his cheaparse signings up front and it has been costing us. There's every chance he'll do it again this season. But on the offchance he finally gets his fucking act in gear, we need quality up there and that means no skimping or scraping barrels out.
Wiltord played as winger. Hardly ever as a second striker. Only in his last season was he tried more in the middle with Henry. Ljunberg was injured a lot also. We'd rotate between the two. He left because he wanted to be a striker and more game time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie