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Considering the seasons Suarez and Higuain had that year and how our lack of goals killed our title run…you tell me? We set up to sign a star striker that year, we failed and still haven’t signed the striker that we were searching for back in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Well yes, we do. But we need a top striker as well, not instead of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
We've spent a lot in recent years, with the exception of 2015 where we inexplicably only signed Cech.
I don't think there is a reluctance to spend in general anymore, probably more of a reluctance to compete with the biggest clubs because they can outspend us. For us to make a top signing, all the stars have to align. Ozil was sold last minute to fund the Bale transfer and Sanchez was out of favour with only Liverpool for us to compete with.
Back in 2013 not a single soul here said we needed an attacking midfielder. We had so many options for that position we were playing Jack, Ramsey, Rosicky or Santi wide just to give them game time which had the knock on effect of making our wing play much weaker. It was great to see us spend that sort of money on a star player but it wasn't what we needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Players like Ozil and Sanchez can win you a league, with the right supporting cast. So we absolutely do need players who are at that level, but we haven't had a really top striker since RvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
And we probably need a new manager too.
I'm not too sure, if a player has a price you either pay it or don't, we know the price for Lacazette, we knew for Higuain and Suarez (or had an idea), we weren't competing we just didn't want to stump up, we seem to want to buy players for under the market value and seem to go after players who realistically are unattainable for us, either they've said they're staying at a particular club or are courted by the likes of Barca/Real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Ozil was a last minute panic buy after a disastrous window, Sanchez like you say we only competed with Liverpool over and they had no CL and the price wasn't extortionate.
Seems to me we'll buy players up to a certain price but when it comes to the best players who come with a premium, we won't pay the rate the market dictates and just sit there in the hope the selling club will lower it's demands until someone else snaps up the player.
Last summer was another joke, pretty much every summer is a joke at this club, we never seem to have a plan in place, never get what we need in early and never really get the players we need.
From what I can see our buys are opportunist buys rather than thought about planned transfers in a lot of cases.
I think the point he was making was that we didn't need a player in that position particularly at that time, we needed a striker desperately and ended up signing a player in a position that we weren't really looking to fill. Pretty poor show to be honest, if you go out and need a new washing machine you don't come back with a dishwasher instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What's the right sort of supporting cast? Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Higuain, Di Maria, Xabi Alonso, Khederia, Pepe, Ramos, Macelo....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Ozil is great support player but if he's not around the right sort of players it effects his performance. A player like RVP, Suarez or Ronaldo...regardless of who they were playing with they'd find a way to score goals.
Of course, but a player who has consistently good assist stats will obviously help them score more. Ozil creates lots of goal scoring opportunities, with the right people on the end of them more of them would become goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Barca tapping up a player under contract again. Xhaka will probably be fined for that.Quote:
...Barcelona have courted the help of their midfielder Denis Suarez, who is currently playing with Bellerin in Poland. Speaking to local radio, he admitted he would love to see the Arsenal star return to Catalonia.
'The people want the best at Barcelona and I hope Bellerin can come,' Suarez told Radio Marca. 'The players of a top level are welcome.'
:gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
Yep, nail on head. Wenger has mismanaged pretty much every window for the past 5 or 6 seasons.
Kallstrom was a good buy though.
Who knows? He may even mismanage this one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
No chance, things hae changed now, Gazidis/Wenger and co have seen the light and big changes are taking place, look at the changes in our backroom staff at long last......oh wait :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Has he helped Giroud score more goals? We were looking for a striker at the beginning of the season to score more goals. Did Ozil’s arrival solve that problem and to the extent where we say feel we’ve solved that problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It’s good bit of business but it hasn’t addressed a key area that’s needed addressing. If purchasing Ozil could turn a 15 goal a season striker into a 25+ goal striker, then great. But that hasn’t been the case. We still have to buy a striker and I have no idea why it’s taking so long to invest some serious money in this area.
Well, Giroud's goals/minutes ratio was better than anyone bar Kane last season so I guess you'd have to say yes. I don't know how many of those were assisted by Ozil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
But Giroud, as much as I like him and feel he gets an unnecessary amount of stick from Arsenal fans, isn't at the level who will win you a title.
Get a striker in who can and we will challenge. Well, maybe we won't under Wenger but we will have a squad who can - I think we pretty much already do.
Exactly. It’s a good bit of business if you find an upgrade for a good price but you still have to find space for the new model. We didn’t have a clue. Piss poor planning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
So 16 goals is enough to win the league?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm not even talking about last season either. Has there been a significant improvement to Giroud goal tally since Ozil arrived?
We're in the waiting period...judge him at the end of the window. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I honestly don't know how you got that from "Giroud isn't at the level who will win you a title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
And there was only one season when Giroud was at Arsenal and Ozil wasn't so I'm not sure how sensible comparing that one season with the others is.
EDIT (Although yes, his stats are better in the other seasons than the one without Ozil.)
No. Judge him when you like. Judge the window at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I knew you would bite. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It says a lot about this place that the idea of judging how a game/season/transfer window at the end, not the beginning or even half way through is thought worthy of ridicule :lol:
Logic :rose:
So why are you tap dancing around the issue by talking about last seasons goal ratio? We didn't need Ozil in 2013 and now that we have him, we still haven't bought a player to help get the best out of Ozil or Giroud. The overall point relates back to poor planning in the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It was in response to your direct question :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
But the more general point is we need to get a player who can compliment Ozil's strengths, not get rid of Ozil. Getting rid of a player of that quality would be a backwards step.
Yeah let's just forget about the last 10 seasons, reset everything....I mean if something happens 10 times we can just forget about it right and not put it down to a pattern of how we do or don't do things correctly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I literally have no idea how that is a response to my post :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
When do you judge how a game has gone?
Goal ratio isn't more goals. Giroud has yet to equal the amount of goals he's scored in France.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'm not even talking about getting rid of Ozil. This is about the 2013 transfer window specifically.
It isn't, but it's only fair to take into account the fact he wasn't always first choice last season and still scored a good number of goals when he played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
I've no idea what we're arguing about, I don't care what happened in 2013, we've been needing a really top striker for years, I don't think anyone would argue with that.
Is Mbappe here yet?
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Originally Posted by Letters
You're being a dick. Put stuff in their proper context and we'll be able to have a proper conversation. If you can't follow how this is about transfer windows and how we mismanaged the 2013 window despite making a record signing for a star player than I can't help you. We're going back to 2013 because we've been looking for a striker for far too long.Quote:
I'm not even talking about getting rid of Ozil. This is about the 2013 transfer window specifically.
It's Wenger's fault Giroud gets stick from the fans. Wenger insists on challenging for titles with second rate players. As we saw, Wenger doesn't have the guts to go out on the pitch during the bad times. So the players take the stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Of course. Giroud isn’t a bad striker. Wenger just hasn’t got a plan. We can make use of Giroud’s strength if crossed the ball more and paired him with a striker. If the striker we require is too expensive and he’s reluctant to spend the money then he has to adopt a system that gets the best out of all of players. Instead, Wenger has stuck with the same and just hoped something clicks with these guys mentally instead of making a tactical change to help them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I guess with all his other roles he's just too busy to pay much attention to the football thingie. Those constant phone calls talking dirty to Stan must eat up a lot of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
"Would you like me to penetrate the Asian market? It'll make your share price rock solid. Get a load of those dividends"Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
And so on.
As usual Arsenal and Arsene continue to fiddle whilst potential targets opt for others and existing players are anxious to join other clubs with more ambition
I assumed your post was a response to my post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Judge how a game has gone? My post was aimed more at our inability in the market to complete deals or even shop around for players in positions we need to strengthen given our past history.
Almost signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Again.
Wenger was in his house, according to French police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
Well, no-one is disputing that. But ultimately we'll only know how this window has gone at the end. Not exactly going brilliantly so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie