When will Arteta be sacked by

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

It wasn’t a bad result and we actually played fairly well all things considered. This is because we are still a good team and despite being incredibly underwhelming all season we have remained tough to beat and sit a comfortable 2nd.

Without a forward line though, there’s little chance of winning most games no matter how well we play.

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This is what I’ve been saying all day, and I’m treated like I’ve been treading dog shit into the carpet in peoples living rooms

I even tried being nice. For all the good it did me :lol:

I want Arteta to go because I don’t like him, I would say he’s passive aggressive but he’s been more plain aggressive in interviews of late when interviewers dare ask him if it’s just possible that lack of strikers might be contributing to our lack of goals. What a prick, he’s bare minimum partly responsible for this state of affairs…no point getting aggy with others for pointing to your own failings.

But I think barring a calamity we will qualify for the champions league next season, we still have very good players and we are only a few attacking signings and yes a very tactical tweaks away from being a team that can compete for the premier league and champions league. If I’m Stan Kroenke I’m probably not going to be making waves this summer.

But the patience of the fan base is not eternal, if we waste this summer like last summer and we have another season like this one. They will demand his head and although as I believe Mac has pointed out that there’s a large number of match going fans who will attend rain or shine (and I think that’s definitely true) I think there’s definitely a good chance another large group of fans will vote with their feet (especially if there is a season ticket hike and promises from the club turn out to be empty).

He’s not quite on thin ice, but the permafrost is diminishing

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Originally Posted by IBK

I'm not sure you're right there mate. Arteta will (rightly) point to the injuries we have suffered as a reason, and I don't think there is any appetite from the owners or board to sack him whatever happens.

I think we will still make top four, given that we start getting players back next month. Even if we get draws in our next 4 games - that should still be enough.

I think we are 'stuck' with Arteta for another season...but if he fails to win the silverware next season, I think he will probably walk.

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I don't believe Arteta's ego will allow him to voluntarily leave us under any condition that doesn't recognise he has been a success. What I mean is, he'd only leave us if he feels he has achieved what he came for and won a significant trophy with us, or a better job came calling.

Now IMO, the only team that could offer the latter to him based on his current achievements, and also fits the description of being "above us" is Citeh, and that's only if Pep walks, which is becoming more and more likely (Pep won't be sacked). The problem with this is that Citeh might be in the Championship by then due to the penalties they are likely to face.

So in short, I don't see any scenario where Arteta walks voluntarily, at this rate he'll need to be pushed out like Wenger.... in fact, that empty "over my dead body" line really felt deja vuish to me..... it was probably sent to him in their WhatsApp group :lol:

In fairness to Arteta (and I’ve no reason to be) I don’t think any manager would walk voluntarily. Most instances where a manager leaves the club by his own volition, it’s by “mutual consent” where an informal agreement is made where by the coach wavers the money he’d be owed for the rest of his contract in exchange for a one time pay off or there are personal reasons.

So yes you’re right, I don’t think Arteta will walk unless there’s an imminent offer from another club

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

that empty "over my dead body" line really felt deja vuish to me..... it was probably sent to him in their WhatsApp group :lol:

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that made me cringe, it's pathetic and will just make people laugh, a childish defiance that has no basis in reality, he should have said 'it's tough but we'll ceretainly keep fighting for every point' or something, just to show he does actually live on planet Earth

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Originally Posted by Mac76

that made me cringe, it's pathetic and will just make people laugh, a childish defiance that has no basis in reality, he should have said 'it's tough but we'll ceretainly keep fighting for every point' or something, just to show he does actually live on planet Earth

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Hmmm time for Comical Arteta t-shirts or is that reference too old for the kids ?

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

In fairness to Arteta (and I’ve no reason to be) I don’t think any manager would walk voluntarily. Most instances where a manager leaves the club by his own volition, it’s by “mutual consent” where an informal agreement is made where by the coach wavers the money he’d be owed for the rest of his contract in exchange for a one time pay off or there are personal reasons.

So yes you’re right, I don’t think Arteta will walk unless there’s an imminent offer from another club

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I think you are being overly generous to him in your first few lines.

I am a bit old school, and believe any manager that has real ties to a club and claims to be accepted like "family" should actually repay fans back by walking when he realises he can't give them what they want consistently.

I mean like when Liverpool was a dominant force and their coaches were from within, most of them seemed to resign at the top when they felt they couldn't take the pressure or simply got tired of winning.

Then we've got King Kev, who resigned from Newcastle twice. The first after unsuccessful title challenges (which he should really have won TBH) and the second time immediately after a transfer window when the board signed a player without his approval.

Probably I'm still a football romantic, but I believe if you've got cult status at a club because of either what you did for them in the past or current successes you've had with them, you owe it to the fanbase and more importantly yourself to leave when deep down you know you did your best and its clearly not good enough to achieve what people realistically expect.

When I think about it, maybe it more of a foreign thing where you refuse to go until you are sacked, I mean Mourinho had the same failing as Wenger in both his spells at Chelsea.

However I really do believe Pep will leave on his own volition just like Klop did to protect his cult status (and probably because he knows deep down, it's better for the club).

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

I think you are being overtly generous to him in your first few lines.

I am a bit old school, and believe any manager that has real ties to a club and claims to be accepted like "family" should actually repay fans back by walking when he realises he can't give them what they want consistently.

I mean like when Liverpool was a dominant force and their coaches were from within, most of them seemed to resign at the top when they felt they couldn't take the pressure or simply got tired of winning.

Then we've got King Kev, who resigned from Newcastle twice. The first after unsuccessful title challenges (which he should really have won TBH) and the second time immediately after a transfer window when the board signed a player without his approval.

Probably I'm still a football romantic, but I believe if you've got cult status at a club because of either what you did for them in the past or current successes you've had with them, you owe it to the fanbase and more importantly yourself to leave when deep down you know you did your best and its clearly not good enough to achieve what people realistically expect.

When I think about it, maybe it more of a foreign thing where you refuse to go until you are sacked, I mean Mourinho had the same failing as Wenger in both his spells at Chelsea.

However I really do believe Pep will leave on his own volition just like Klop did to protect his cult status (and probably because he knows deep down, it's better for the club).

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What’s it Wenger once said to an interviewer tongue in cheek, in response to something cynical his Arsenal side had done during a game


“I don’t say you are too romantic but you are romantic”

Man he stayed too long, but I genuinely liked and still do like the guy

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

What’s it Wenger once said to an interviewer tongue in cheek, in response to something cynical his Arsenal side had done during a game


“I don’t say you are too romantic but you are romantic”

Man he stayed too long, but I genuinely liked and still do like the guy

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We all do, no matter what he did, he's family, and no one can get away with saying anything less.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

We all do, no matter what he did, he's family, and no one can get away with saying anything less.

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I have no doubt even if he wins the title with us, Arteta won’t garner the same fondness as Wenger. Frankly he could win more than Wenger and that would be the case.

A bit like how Federer and Nadal will be more loved by Tennis fans than Djokovic even though Djokovic has the most grand slams

But, I’m also pretty sure that looking back in hindsight we probably won’t feel the animus and frustration. It’s like how every current prime minister is the worst prime minister ever.

This season will be forgiven if he comes good next season, but I think as IBK said he’s gonna have to come good. Because the general fan base that have been more patient with him than you, I or others have been……their patience isn’t inexhaustible.