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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

I think you are being overly generous to him in your first few lines.

I am a bit old school, and believe any manager that has real ties to a club and claims to be accepted like "family" should actually repay fans back by walking when he realises he can't give them what they want consistently.

I mean like when Liverpool was a dominant force and their coaches were from within, most of them seemed to resign at the top when they felt they couldn't take the pressure or simply got tired of winning.

Then we've got King Kev, who resigned from Newcastle twice. The first after unsuccessful title challenges (which he should really have won TBH) and the second time immediately after a transfer window when the board signed a player without his approval.

Probably I'm still a football romantic, but I believe if you've got cult status at a club because of either what you did for them in the past or current successes you've had with them, you owe it to the fanbase and more importantly yourself to leave when deep down you know you did your best and its clearly not good enough to achieve what people realistically expect.

When I think about it, maybe it more of a foreign thing where you refuse to go until you are sacked, I mean Mourinho had the same failing as Wenger in both his spells at Chelsea.

However I really do believe Pep will leave on his own volition just like Klop did to protect his cult status (and probably because he knows deep down, it's better for the club).

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Arteta will only go when he's offered a 'better' job - I'm guessing it wouldn't immediately be Man City but something like PSG or Barcam, he might come back to Man City eventually though

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I have no doubt even if he wins the title with us, Arteta won’t garner the same fondness as Wenger. Frankly he could win more than Wenger and that would be the case.

A bit like how Federer and Nadal will be more loved by Tennis fans than Djokovic even though Djokovic has the most grand slams

But, I’m also pretty sure that looking back in hindsight we probably won’t feel the animus and frustration. It’s like how every current prime minister is the worst prime minister ever.

This season will be forgiven if he comes good next season, but I think as IBK said he’s gonna have to come good. Because the general fan base that have been more patient with him than you, I or others have been……their patience isn’t inexhaustible.

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Well I really do hope your last paragraph turns out right, at least for all our sakes.

Everytime I think of Arteta as some sort of cult hero, I remember what Zim use to say on here, about how he had an "average" playing career here and can't help but giggle a bit.... but another funny thing is he actually got a lot of injuries while he played for us, which a lot of people (including him apparently) seem to forget.

Anyway, has anyone noticed, apparently Cesc is getting rave reviews at Como presently... he seems to be having a Bournemouth fairytale there and the Italian press is really loving his brand of football....well that might not be saying much with most of their teams crashing out of Europe this season :lol:

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Arteta will only go when he's offered a 'better' job - I'm guessing it wouldn't immediately be Man City but something like PSG or Barcam, he might come back to Man City eventually though

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Well you might be on to something as he does have a history with both of those clubs....but I still feel he's odds on to succeed Pep, especially if Pep has a say in it.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Well I really do hope your last paragraph turns out right, at least for all our sakes.

Everytime I think of Arteta as some sort of cult hero, I remember what Zim use to say on here, about how he had an "average" playing career here and can't help but giggle a bit.... but another funny thing is he actually got a lot of injuries while he played for us, which a lot of people (including him apparently) seem to forget.

Anyway, has anyone noticed, apparently Cesc is getting rave reviews at Como presently... he seems to be having a Bournemouth fairytale there and the Italian press is really loving his brand of football....well that might not be saying much with most of their teams crashing out of Europe this season :lol:

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I saw an Athletic video about how Fabregas sets his teams up to play, curiously for someone who was a progressive forward playing midfielder, there is caution and defensiveness. Which means they don’t score many goals but they are tough to beat. That’s fine in Italy, it’s what they are used to. Of course I’ve never seen even clips of Como play, but should things go south with Arteta I wouldn’t be massively surprised if we are not at least linked with Fabregas as a potential replacement

So just looking at the Table in Italy now

Como are 13th in the table 7 wins, 7 draws and 12 defeats

32 goals scored, 41 conceded


I wouldn’t say exactly watertight defensively, but I suppose for a team like that in 26 games it’s not terrible either

They beat Napoli on Sunday to stop them going back top of the table which is quite an impressive achievement

To clarify all this is from a two minute Google search, I didn’t even know Fabregas was in management until a week or so ago :lol:

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Well you might be on to something as he does have a history with both of those clubs....but I still feel he's odds on to succeed Pep, especially if Pep has a say in it.

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I'm not sure, out of loyalty, he would go straight to Citeh from Arsenal - Pep has talked about how Arteta was happy when City beat any other team, but not Arsenal

But I don't think that woudl stop him from going there eventually

Or maybe he'll just end up at Coventry City :lol:

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

So just looking at the Table in Italy now

Como are 13th in the table 7 wins, 7 draws and 12 defeats

32 goals scored, 41 conceded


I wouldn’t say exactly watertight defensively, but I suppose for a team like that in 26 games it’s not terrible either

They beat Napoli on Sunday to stop them going back top of the table which is quite an impressive achievement

To clarify all this is from a two minute Google search, I didn’t even know Fabregas was in management until a week or so ago :lol:

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It was a written review of the Napoli match I caught online a few days ago... apparently even after taking the lead they out played them all through and threatened to score more. Apparently he's seen there as pretty ambitious and his team play ambitiously too...thats why I used the Bournemouth comparison.

Anyway, wouldn't want him to succeed Arteta straight away, thats if he goes soon. I mean, that would mean we would have had 3 Spanish managers on the go and that would be too much for me (unless it was Alonso though, which will never happen).

I'll shout it till I'm blue in the face, we need an experienced hand who can get the most from these young lads ASAP. To me, that's Ancelotti.

I also think it would be better for the club as a whole to stop being fixated about the long term and learn to exist in the here and now with a manager who'd probably only do one contract.

https://youtu.be/tnDcPrDUSB8?si=fB9DpFcn_yeQkito

Watching the highlights of the game made me curious, though ultimately more curious about Napoli than Como

A title challenging team conceding a comical own goal like that under no pressure, Philip Billing and Scott McTominay in the team

It’s fair to say the league that was the Primo European league in the early-mid 1990s is quite some considerable distance behind the premier league

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

It was a written review of the Napoli match I caught online a few days ago... apparently even after taking the lead they out played them all through and threatened to score more. Apparently he seen there as pretty ambitious and his team play ambitiously too...thats why I used the Bournemouth comparison.

Anyway, wouldn't want him to succeed Arteta straight away, thats if he goes soon. I mean, that would mean we would have had 3 Spanish managers on the go and that would be too much for me (unless it was Alonso though, which will never happen).

I'll shout it till I'm blue in the face, we need an experienced hand who can get the most from these young lads ASAP. To me, that's Ancelotti.

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Ancelotti is the type of coach you bring in to a club that already has the players to be a title winning side, and just keeps things ticking over. Plus one season at Chelsea aside, his record in England is pretty meh.

Also there’s a difference between experience and eligible for a bus pass :lol:

I don’t think Arteta’s inexperience is the issue for us (not that I’m suggesting that we go for Fabregas, although if we did he would have more club managerial experience under his belt than Arteta did) it’s the hubris. I don’t think experience tends to dull that tendency

That Cesc celebration looked very Arteta like :lol:

Serie A is definitely not what it use to be, I mean McTominay is regarded as a superstar over there :lol:

Anyway, lets not forget that Inter was one of the first teams that beat us this season (we didn't have injury worries then), so they've still got some quality.

But TBH, the overall quality of the league is one of the reasons why I'm not gaga about going after some "stars" like that Juve striker we've been linked to for 3 years who I can't even get his name right because he's not consistent.