Wouldn't be too hard to 'put Walcotts' numbers to shame' to be fair....but post invincibles Wenger's signings def haven;t been as good. Have no doubt AOC will put that right though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Wouldn't be too hard to 'put Walcotts' numbers to shame' to be fair....but post invincibles Wenger's signings def haven;t been as good. Have no doubt AOC will put that right though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Again, look up our post Invincible era wingers and see if any have managed to put Theo's numbers to shame. We haven't had wingers that bang in goals for fun since Pires and Freddie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
Gnabry - is he german? are we trying to enforce a winning german mentality into our fragile minded team! good thing if so!
tbh if theo is to go i would rather we went after Ben Arfa than sinclair. think he can become a fantastic player, only injury has slowed his progress down
Really? How about a comparison of what other Prem wingers are doing compared to Theo. Look it up. We've had this discussion before and people are often surprised because he's not getting dwarfed by any of his peers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
We were tracking ben arfa way before newcastle - but didn;t follow up - super player, but newcastle would;t sell for less than 18millionGBP and not sure we would spend that on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by I_Killed_Kenny
Sinclair a cheaper option by far..and a winger...like for like.
we tracked him at marseille and then he got injured so went for nasri by all accounts. has more to his game overall than sinclair. but as you say, we will probably go for the cheaper option, tis the arsenal way!
Ben Arfa looks good but you know he's never hit double digit figures for goals as a senior player...just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
Right, so:
Cheeky bid for Fabregas?
Would City or Liverpool really give Walcott 90-100k?
Back from a pretty bad injury and scored 8 premiership goalsQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Sinclair's first season in premiership bagged 8 goals...scored 27 the season before in the championship...so definitely more to come.
There are other options if Walcott doesn't want to sign....just saying...his stats are really not that impressive...except when you compare them to post-invincible signings like arshavin, eboue or gervinho as you seem intent on doing...even nasri got into double figures with us. There are other players in the premiership and beyond who could do better for us...of that I am sure.
who?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Yeh they would tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
The media will make it out like there's some mega exodus at Arsenal and that the Emirates is about to drop into a deep dark pit, but Walcott is pretty useless most of the time. I for one won't be shedding too many tears.
Make it LOOK like a mighty exodus?
Where have you been the past few years?
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City were looking at Scott Sinclair. Pretty obvious the profile of player they're after i.e benchwarming English Johnson replacement. They're having enough trouble offloading high earners. Liverpool? Doubt itQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheesy bites
Spurs are doing just the same and no ones said fuck all about them. News this morning is that they are prepared to let Lennon go now.
They must be in crisis too :coffee:
They would because he wouldn't sign for them unless he got what he was after, especially this late in the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
It means nothing to citeh and pool are willing to overpay for anyone tbh.
Sport_trend on twitter says we have spoken to dempseys representatives and will be having talks with fulham.
Also, mvila has rejected a move to spurs as he only wants to come to us and we are trying to negotiate a new fee.
City don't need him specifically. That's the point. He's not a first teamer there. Liverpool possibly. But it'd be a big deal for them. Probably only Gerrard and Suarez are on more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
The club's position on this is fair. Not going to bemoan the money we waste in one breath and demand Theo be pandered to in another. But it's another level of awkward timing. He is an important player and we've already ripped up the forward line once already. Selling him - even with a replacement or two - would be just unsettling things once more. But obviously remains to be seen what happens. Many of the reports suggest he's happy enough here so he could back down.
Apparently we're not interested in Dempsey anymore- and haven't been all summer, though it could all be smoke and mirrors to lower any fee.
I think we would be prepared to give Walcott a hefty wage, although, as said, I think only Gerrard, Carra (:doh:), Cole and with his new deal Suarez are on similar. Although we have slashed our wage bill a fair bit which would give a bit of leeway... although if City are interested we wouldn't stand a chance.
We did miss out on Sigurdsson though because we wouldn't match Spurs wage offer because Rodgers didn't think he was worth more.
You think it's unfair for me to compare him to our most recent signings? Pires was one of the best players in the Prems history. No player here since has been able to come close to his numbers. Rosicky's best goal tally is 7, Reyes 12, Hleb a pathetic 4, Nasri...15 but before that 7 goals. Arshavin 12....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
Rival club wingers....best tallies over a season.
Bale - 12 goals
Lennon - 5 goals
Nani - 10 goals
Valencia - 7 goals
Victor Moses - 6 goals
Malouda - 15 goals
Ashely Young - 8 for Man Utd/ 10 for Villa
Am I missing anyone? We can't nitpick about Theo's goal tally when his peers are putting in these sort of numbers for goals. Who are we judging him against for goals? The guys that get Pires and Ronaldo numbers are superstars and out of our price range.
I don't think Theo is suited as winger, not for our squad anyway. I get the same impression with Poldsoki. The best part of Theo's game is his off the ball runs, his pace and his finishing. He's not a tricky winger that dances around wing backs and I get the same impression with Poldoski.
He still can't control a football sadly.
You're right, PnG. His runs are very good, but we just don't play that way.
The way we play requires someone to be comfortable in possession. And he has the touch of a JCB.
Slot someone more suited to the role in there, and they'll score more than Theo, and assist more than Theo....because our team is kitted out to be able to provide the chances for that....other teams don't play the same way, hence why Theo's return (whilst good v other prem players) is not brilliant when you consider the opportunities he gets on the ball.
He's an old fashioned striker at heart, and whilst I think he'd be #decent inthat role, we just don't play that way....
Shame, but if he moves on, it's no massive loss, as long as we replace him, of course.
I agree. Good post. I really hope they dont offer him a penny more than 75k a week. I wouldnt mind him going at all - much to inconsistent at the top level notwithstanding he can be brilliant at times.
LDG;184433]He still can't control a football sadly.
You're right, PnG. His runs are very good, but we just don't play that way.
The way we play requires someone to be comfortable in possession. And he has the touch of a JCB.
Slot someone more suited to the role in there, and they'll score more than Theo, and assist more than Theo....because our team is kitted out to be able to provide the chances for that....other teams don't play the same way, hence why Theo's return (whilst good v other prem players) is not brilliant when you consider the opportunities he gets on the ball.
He's an old fashioned striker at heart, and whilst I think he'd be #decent inthat role, we just don't play that way....
Shame, but if he moves on, it's no massive loss, as long as we replace him, of course.[/QUOTE]
But this is the thing, we've had far far far better players with a brilliant first, vision, control....none of them have even come close to doing what's expected of them. None are able to relentless terrorise a wing back.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
For starters, we've often played square pegs in round holes such as Rosicky, Hleb, Nasri and Arshavin. They're not the type of players that blitz defenders with trickery and pace. Technically gifted players but not suited on the flanks. All of them can have anonymous and frustrating games. As seen against Stoke, these guys would probably struggle as well because their over indulegent with the tippy tappy crap. Not direcr enough.
Then we have Gervinho and Eboue. Direct and able to beat their man but no end product. Frustrating to watch and they get a lot more stick compared to the above mentioned players, but I think they're more effective when it comes to stretching teams and creating chances. The technically players take very few risks and we get bogged down in endless passing routines.
We need superstar players for our style of play. Ronaldo, Robben, Hazard, Ronalinho types and they don't grow on trees. I think Poldski is going to struggle in our set up as well because he's not a dazzling dribbler playmaker type. Or if we're going to play with three strikers, we need an awesome trio in the middle and two very good central playmakers that pass triangles around everyone like at Barca. Wenger is trying to turn Walcott into a Ljungberg type player and even he'd struggle in this current set up because we don't counter attack, move the ball quick enough and we have no superstar playmakers. I hope come Friday we see what Wenger is trying to do but at the moment, it looks like he's run out of ideas and we're going to see the same sort of square pegs in round holes all over again.
This club is run by shitheads.
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Theo has been offered a fair wage on a new contract for what he has achieved so far.
If he doesn't want to sign it then we should sell him.
It's not the clubs fault that he wants more money based on what his England team mates earn.
None of the strategizing here matters. We are a player trading and revenue generating entity with the sole objective of delivering growth in the value of shares.
If offloading Carzola right now went towards achieving that objective, we'd do it.
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I guess not Jeebus but his agent can easily say, he is the most productive remaining player at Arsenal. I see it like this: there are players out there I think are better than Theo but the likelihood of getting anyone like that with such little time is marginal at best.
Therefore I think we should just suck it up for once, 100k isn't that excessive comparitively. Yes people will say he doesn't deserve it but Wenger plays him so often, it kinda indicates to his representatives that he actually does (in football terms).
we rely on technical footballers and unfortunately theo isn't one. as you say- comfortability, technical prowess and intelligence is something we require from all our players and you could argue theo has none of that. everytime he gets the ball i get the feeling he doesn't really know what he's going to do with it. for example when nani gets the ball, you can see he's instantly thinking 'ill take this defender on and cross the ball to the far post'. there's a degree of coordination in his play instead of instant panic. when becks receives the ball, he's already scanned the pitch to see who's free so he can play a 30 yard pass to his teammate. there's that sense of organised thinking once again. unfortunately i dont get that feeling with theo. its almost as if he thinks 'ive just got the ball so ill run into space and see what happens'. there's no systematic plan of attack or conviction in his play. if he takes a defender on he quickly panics and looks up, hoping he can pass to a teammate. does he really know how to take a defender on? how to turn a defender inside out? how to leave him on his arse? the top wingers in the league do but theo's game is all over the place. there's been plenty of times ive seen him try take players on and bottle it, simply to turn around and play a 2 yard pass to a teammate. that tells me he doesn't really know what he wants to do with the ball and that there's no structured thought process to his attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
i bet deep down he wishes he went to united. i knoq its all opinion but i think he would have thrived under fergie because fergie's a manager who wouldn't take half hearted performances. he would have bulked theo up more like he done with ronaldo and had a more hands on approach to his play. wenger is very much a manager that likes to sit back and let the player learn himself. it worked with song, van persie and koscielny, but it hasn't with theo. theo needs a manager to help him when he makes the wrong decisions, a manager to guide him properly. he needs to stay behind in training sessions with one of the youth team defenders and practise his dribbling. it's a shame cause by now i expected him to become a world beater but i don't mind if he leaves. adios amigo.
And if he doesn't live up to wages then we can sell him without the pressure. We can go one or two seasons with him earning £100k. It's not as if we won't be able to sell him off after either. He's not a Denilson or Bendtner.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Every player is replaceable but we're not going to get sufficient quality in within 48 hours, so there's little point in selling.
Indeed and with the tax for an English player we'd make that money back anyway, probably. Plus he wouldn't be the only one sold next summer in any case, unless the new TV deals mean we won't have to operate in that way. :pray:
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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
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Zenit to buy Hulk for 50M euros
http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?st...eTag=ENG.1&top
Gareth bale has just signed a contract last week, 5yrs -75k/week.. its the same opening offer arsenal presented to theos people and they rejected it. sell him asap. he is not a half a player bale is.go get sinclair for 6mil and we are ready to go..he dont want to stay at arsenal any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I agree with some of that. But I've never seen a player turn from an average dribbler to a great one. Theo is a rubbish at beating his man and he's all about quick and sudden movement. He never varies his tempo like how you see Robben do and then suddenly go for pace to take his man. He can't do it and it's down to the fact that he has a strikers instinct. Around the box, that sudden and quick touch and movement will easily scare and beat centre backs but when doubled teamed, he has nothing. Wenger should stick to his original plan and play him as a striker. A striker only needs an inch on a defender to make room for his shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
This. And it's the main reason some fans are getting disillusioned with the owners of our club. What they regard as "success" in the transfer window and the season as a whole is totally detached with what the fans want. And no, the fans don't want us to spend £100M on Messi, it's simply to make better use of our resources, replenish the squad and for once, not to make a profit at the end of the transfer window.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
yeah agreed. with theo it's all about space, if you can get him in behind the full back he'll have a field day but now teams shut up shop knowing theo will have a shite game. the problem i have with theo playing up top is that defenders will get tight on him just like they do now, and he'll be completely ineffective as usual. or they'll play a deep line so there's no space in behind. they started doing it to van persie last season by having one centre half and a defensive midfielder tightly marking him everytime he touched the ball and it completely neutralised our attack. if theo played as a striker we would be relying on theo to show a degree of intelligence and open up space on his own, and if the last 6 years have proved anything, it's that he can do neither. what do we do then? play him as a wing back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Have you read Arseblog today?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
It's about the Theo situation.
http://arseblog.com/
What bollocks is this? With or without Kronke, we've always operated like this and have never bowed to player pressure on contracts. Whose paying this guy to suck Kronke and co off? It's disgusting.Quote:
The thing is though, Arsenal under Kroenke have shown that they won’t be led by nose or emotionally blackmailed. They will do what they think is the best thing for the club regardless of how it appears in the papers or what the fan reaction might be. Now, I certainly think they could add something of a velvet glove to the iron fist at times, and Kroenke’s continued silence about the direction of the club is a frustration, but should Arsenal allow themselves to be held to ransom by any player? If they wouldn’t countenance it from someone like Robin van Persie I seriously doubt Theo Walcott will be any more successful.
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner
Nicely put :good: