Match Reaction v Man Utd

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

It's not a board v Wenger thing at all, we all know the board are moneygrabbers to be honest and I've wanted them out for a long time personally, I agree they should have sacked the muppet and the fact they haven't is driven by their greed...however on the other side of the coin is Wenger who has also prioritised money over football (borderline criminal for a football manager IMO), he saves and scrimps and is avert to risk, he picks up cheap journeyman and kids and treats his players like china dolls, there's no discipline, very little tactics and little motivation and the same mistakes happen over and over again....that's ignoring illogical decisions like today.

They're both to blame, but it's Wenger's team on the pitch and frankly it's inadequate due to him spending on too many kids and journeyman and never investing in quality even when available. He should have been sacked for sure, he hasn't but the way he does things is amateurish.

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I can't even disagree with that.

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on the fans calls to spend some money…
Spending the money is not the target, to buy good players is the target. We need our players back. People are not conscious that we miss 10 players. When you see what we created in the second half without [those injured] players, it is important to get the players back.

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I always wonder who interviews him for these questions because he's always very pushy on everything else he says (e.g. he asked about the fans' reaction to the substitution and then he asked separately on Van Persie's reaction...which were very awkward questions for Wenger to handle), but when it comes to this there is never a follow-up "Maybe people are conscious that we miss 10 players...maybe you're not conscious that we are always missing 10 players...what's up with that?"...or if there is, we never read about it.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I hear you, but over the past few days I've been arguing about these sort of decision that cost us. The Board sitting back and watching as the ship sinks is a disgrace. But I can't accept this argument about Wenger's hands being tied as if it's having an effect on his tactical decisions. This is a prime example of bad management. No idea what possessed him to made that decision but he did and it has cost us. The fans and captain could see that was a total cock up and I hope someone on the Board is watching and questioning such tactical decisions and thinking the same thing as we are.

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TBF you were going on like anyone who was not anti wenger or against the board, blamed the board for everything. My point was if our board was ambitious they would have got in a top manager ages ago.

No arsenal fan would disagree that as a manager aw is lacking behind the rest or still stuck where he is. When it comes to upstairs business finacial matters there is more then we know that is going on. I mean half our team did not want to leave in the summer because AW was a bad manager or did not fight for the team.

Ashley cole said the reason he left was the board not the manager. Players can see the board has no ambiton and that is driving them away.

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Originally Posted by Syn

I always wonder who interviews him for these questions because he's always very pushy on everything else he says (e.g. he asked about the fans' reaction to the substitution and then he asked separately on Van Persie's reaction...which were very awkward questions for Wenger to handle), but when it comes to this there is never a follow-up "Maybe people are conscious that we miss 10 players...maybe you're not conscious that we are always missing 10 players...what's up with that?"...or if there is, we never read about it.

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TBh the guy was grilling him lol and like always the more the guy grilled him the more defensive he became and stubborn. he indirectly addmited bring the young lad off was a mistake but could not saying.

When asked if Arshavin cost us he said to the guy "Ask him" in a kind of aggresive way. He mouth backed Arshaving while his eyes wanted to kill ashavin and even talking about the punk was making him angry.

He is still playing daddy to his players even when he knows they have done wrong.

Fuckin cunts.Sick of it.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

TBh the guy was grilling him lol and like always the more the guy grilled him the more defensive he became and stubborn. he indirectly addmited bring the young lad off was a mistake but could not saying.

When asked if Arshavin cost us he said to the guy "Ask him" in a kind of aggresive way. He mouth backed Arshaving while his eyes wanted to kill ashavin and even talking about the punk was making him angry.

He is still playing daddy to his players even when he knows they have done wrong.

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He's never asked about why we're always topping the injury list and whether he has considered it's an internal problem at the club as opposed to stupid pitches, new boots, rough tackles by opposition and so on.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Fuckin cunts.Sick of it.

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His interview was sh*t as usual, he gets defensive and plays the I know better card when it's clear he knows jack sh*t.

I'd love someone to interview him and give him hell and ask him all the questions we really want the answers to without letting him off the hook, someone like Jeremy Paxman.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

TBF you were going on like anyone who was not anti wenger or against the board, blamed the board for everything. My point was if our board was ambitious they would have got in a top manager ages ago.

No arsenal fan would disagree that as a manager aw is lacking behind the rest or still stuck where he is. When it comes to upstairs business finacial matters there is more then we know that is going on. I mean half our team did not want to leave in the summer because AW was a bad manager or did not fight for the team.

Ashley cole said the reason he left was the board not the manager. Players can see the board has no ambiton and that is driving them away.

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That hasn't been the argument for all on here. You as well. Too much emphasis has gone on the budget Wenger has to spend and players he has at his disposal. I've been saying he should be doing a lot better with the players he has and he doesn't take into consideration the oppoositons strengths and weakness or the individual players we have on our team.

The Ox has been under Wenger's nose for months now and he kept playing Arshavin. I said last week that Arshavin suited on the flanks and his lack of work there exposes us. Man Utd's major threats came from the flanks and he took off the Ox for Arshavin which made no sense attack wise and we were caught out on defence because of that decision.

I'm not arguing for the Board to sack him now because I din't think that would be the right decision, unless they have thought through who can replace him and will he have enough time to get in the players he needs to get us through this season. It here isn't much the Board can do that would have a positive effect on our season right now. I don't believe Wenger has funds being held back and even if he did, it's these sort of tactical errors that are costing us.

I don't see how the board can be blamed when they know nothing (relatively) about football. Despite our disappointment at not winning a trophy for the last x years, you can't say we haven't come close at least once or twice and you can't say Wenger hasn't done a relatively decent job in terms of keeping us at the top of the European game (at least in terms of qualifying for the champions league). You can say that Wenger fucks up on a major level when it comes to preparing the squad to win a trophy - no better shown than in last year's CC final but I can't see why the board would sack someone that consistently gets top four and ensures fans are willing to pay the highest ticket prices in the league, when it's clear that financially we can't compete with Chelsea and Manchester City (theoretically meaning the highest we could finish is 3rd).

Of course the game isn't played on paper, and the richest clubs don't always win, but I don't see how the board can take any more than 20% of the blame as long as Wenger maintains top four. Sure, they could quibble about us signing players to try and push for a title, but they (should) know fuck all about football comparing to Wenger and if he tells them the squad is good enough they can't really argue. Wenger is the person who decides which players to buy and which players to sell, the man who decides how and for how long to play said players and the man who is responsible for motivating and organizing those players into a cohesive unit that can win things.

I would hope that he will be sacked if he falls too far below his objectives, which is CL football and if he drops out of the top four he must go. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the board gave him 'another chance' to see if he could win that place back, given that's happened with a few other managers at top clubs.