Champions League Draw Dec 20th

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

Well if you don't think we should feel we can beat Bayern, that means you think we shouldn't feel we can beat them and the opinion you've voiced is that we can't expect to be 4th cos our team isn't good enough etc and should know that .

So you think we should accept being 2nd rate then?

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I think we'll get beaten, but no I don't think it's good enough that we expect to get beaten by Bayern, we should feel we have a good chance and would if the club was managed properly.

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You might not feel we have a chance but other gooners might, hence the speak for yourself.

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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist

You might not feel we have a chance but other gooners might, hence the speak for yourself.

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Some might, but you'd have to be a real optimist to think we have a decent chance, they're CL finalist, have top quality players like Robben and Ribery who frankly can run rings round our defence and after last season have a lot to prove.

I just think they'll be too organised and will have too much offensively for us, a good result at home is our best hope IMO.

Man U have a massive task, can't see them winning that, Real are a formidable team, that's a really bad draw for a group winner.

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

Some might, but you'd have to be a real optimist to think we have a decent chance, they're CL finalist, have top quality players like Robben and Ribery who frankly can run rings round our defence and after last season have a lot to prove.

I just think they'll be too organised and will have too much offensively for us, a good result at home is our best hope IMO.

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Way i see it, we have a chance, its up to us to take that chance. We have nothing to lose so id say i hope the team goes for it. We could have got a worse draw vs a Dortmund and a Bayern and id take this tie over them. Don't get it twisted Bayern are favs for the tie, That does not mean the boys should fear them.

Boateng's stupid red card has some relevance to us now. Also Badstuber is dead for the remainder of the season.

It's on like Diddy Kong (racing)!

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Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist

Way i see it, we have a chance, its up to us to take that chance. We have nothing to lose so id say i hope the team goes for it. We could have got a worse draw vs a Dortmund and a Bayern and id take this tie over them. Don't get it twisted Bayern are favs for the tie, That does not mean the boys should fear them.

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I'd believe we have a chance if in the last 5+ years we hadn't looked totally toothless against decent opposition in the CL, sorry but I just don't believe we have a chance, this team doesn't have that winning mentality and desire which gives you that chance, we're too predictable as usual we'll fold under pressure like a house of cards.

I've heard people saying we have a chance in the CL for years but our performances have never given us that hope.

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

Yeah but I really hate the fact that we really don't feel we have a decent chance, we're a huge club after all but it seems on the pitch we are small time....in the last 20 years I'd have given us a decent chance of winning everytime, but not today because our team doesn't have the heart, desire or quality to give me that belief.

I find that sad, I'd love nothing more than to believe we can beat anyone, the reality is though I just don't, I expect us to lose. Chelsea won the CL as underdogs last season, they didn't have a great season in the league and yet won it, why is it that our team is so predictable, why is there no expectations that we can pull off a shock?

I reckon it's because of the mentality of the team and management, Graham had inferior teams that beat big superior sides but the reason is they had desire and belief they could upset anyone, without that you have nothing.

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I'm not exactly doing cartwheels about it either but we are where we are.
Wenger's never been a great tactician or motivator but he did have great players back in the day and he had 2 great captains in Adams and Vieira. Now he has neither.

Oh, and Chelsea had massive slices of luck last year. They had Drogba who could always get them a goal and they defended well at times when their back were against the wall, but they did get bloody lucky too.

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

I'd believe we have a chance if in the last 5+ years we hadn't looked totally toothless against decent opposition in the CL, sorry but I just don't believe we have a chance, this team doesn't have that winning mentality and desire which gives you that chance, we're too predictable as usual we'll fold under pressure like a house of cards.

I've heard people saying we have a chance in the CL for years but our performances have never given us that hope.

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You always have a chance Bayern are not the best team, and they did lose in the 3-1 to Bate. End of the day as long as thr players feel they do thats what is important.

Who knows Bayern may get bad Injuries by the time in comes around. CL is full of suprises anything can happen. Not sure why write them off but i bet you'll be watching.

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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas

Yeah but I really hate the fact that we really don't feel we have a decent chance, we're a huge club after all but it seems on the pitch we are small time....in the last 20 years I'd have given us a decent chance of winning everytime, but not today because our team doesn't have the heart, desire or quality to give me that belief.

I find that sad, I'd love nothing more than to believe we can beat anyone, the reality is though I just don't, I expect us to lose. Chelsea won the CL as underdogs last season, they didn't have a great season in the league and yet won it, why is it that our team is so predictable, why is there no expectations that we can pull off a shock?

I reckon it's because of the mentality of the team and management, Graham had inferior teams that beat big superior sides but the reason is they had desire and belief they could upset anyone, without that you have nothing.

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Yeah i remember jumping for Joy when Graham won the Cl, good times.