Match Reaction Arsenal vs United

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Leaving £40m+ which could have helped us walk to the title.

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Like the chavs and gypos are walking it?

You know this place has gone mental when N_Q is the only one making sense.

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I've had enough of the next summer, next season is when it begins scenario, heard too much of this BS for years to believe it, this season was last chance saloon and in my eyes Wenger is failing, he needed to show us something different, unfortunately he hasn't, we've seen this before.

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An analogy would be a mortgage payer. He spends 24 years saying, fuck these fucking mortgage repayments. Always the same shit. In year 25 he burns the fucking house down because he's just had enough with fucking mortgage repayments. That sure showed them.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Ah, so ends the debate and on to the personal stuff. Didn't take long.



If signing Ozil didn't excite people then they are hard to excite. We tried for other players too, didn't get them. Plenty was said about that at the time. Wenger didn't spend the whole £70mill, but we spent £42mill on one player. How is that the same old Arsenal and how can people seriously claim that's not a significant shift? I was probably the loudest voice shouting against the board and the manager's financial policies. Then they proved me wrong with a massive outlay on a genuinely world class addition to the squad. When are others going to give up on the obviously nonsense argument that things are the same as they have always been? True, we haven't done EVERYTHING in one hit, is that what people are having a problem with? True as well, Wenger continues to perplex us with some of his decision making. It's frustrating. But considering these guys are starting to deliver what they promised all along then why will some of the fans not give them a chance to proceed? Not only that but we are still competing in this title race. We have stumbled but only to the same degree as our opposition. We may be fucking up against direct rivals, but the opposition are fucking up against relegation candidates FFS. If Wenger is so shit then how shit are Maureen and Pellegrini? How much cash will those guys have to throw at buying the league before people notice the return on their investment is a tiny fraction compared to ours?

I'm not excusing Wenger's team selection or his tactics or the form of Wilshere or any of the other factors some here are gleefully honing in on. What I'm saying is we've done better than expected on the pitch, we're doing marvellously well off the pitch. What's so intolerable about sticking behind the club at this key moment when all the shit we have put up with starts to unwind in our favour? One of the camps is going to look bloody stupid come the summer and in subsequent years. Either we've been had, in which case that will generate a lot of anger, or what the board and manager have been working towards for 10 years will yield results. I'd rather run the risk of looking a fool for backing the team than trashing the team in advance by studiously ignoring the very evident changes that have been taking place. We haven't done it all in one hit, true. Is that in any way realistic? Not really. But the momentum is forward. Some moan when we go forward and moan when we go back. Some want to blow it up at the last minute, almost a last ditch desperation to be proved right. In reality there are lots of toys from lots of prams being thrown by lots of spoiled kids. Here we are, on the verge of stepping up to the big stage, having done it without financial doping, a point off the lead, big games in Europe coming up, players like Ozil on the pitch. Most fans would give their right arm but some of ours will only go as far as sticking two fingers in the air. And while most of them will be gushing if things keep moving ahead, there will still be those who moan. They'll always find something. It's boring.

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We spent 42 million on Ozil after fruitlessly chasing players all summer rather than accepting a player isn't coming or upping our offers and then moving on to someone else, we waste so much time chasing one player it's ridiculous to be honest.


Yes Ozil was a great exciting signing, but was he really what we needed, did we need another midfielder....really (as I've said before I'm a big fan of his but it doesn't change the facts)?

You harp on about all the change, but apart from one signing, which as pointed out was essentially similar to our panic buying spree a few years ago (all be it all spent on one player) there's not a lot that has changed, we challenged for the title a few years ago, fell away from February onwards and then regressed the following season. Next season is going to be tougher all round and I don't trust Wenger to sign the right players and any players he signs will probably come at the end of August which is just plain stupid tbh.

Marvellously on the pitch, we've done OK in terms of points but in the last month or two we've been plain awful and barely scraping wins until we got found out by Liverpool, we've tired, got injuries and run out of steam now as usual, where is the change here?

Without a fundamental change in how the manager does things, the change is minimal and will reap absolutely no rewards in future I'm afraid, you can be sure about that and I don't trust the guy to spend another penny, he doesn't know how to spend money for the good of the team.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

We spent £70m on Ozil? :blink:

You're smarter than this, NQ.

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£70m "high margin revenue" does not equate to £70m spending money, unless you're running a 100% margin and your costs are zero.

Moreover, the Ozil transfer cost £42.5m, plus £7.28m wages in this financial year, plus signing-on fee, bonuses and image rights (cost unknown).

We also spent £5,485,961 in agents fees for the period Oct 12 to Sep 13.

I don't know how much actual money we had to spend last summer, but this is to illustrate that buying players at the Ozil level is significantly more expensive and involved than just subtracting 2 big black tabloid numbers from each other.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

An analogy would be a mortgage payer. He spends 24 years saying, fuck these fucking mortgage repayments. Always the same shit. In year 25 he burns the fucking house down because he's just had enough with fucking mortgage repayments. That sure showed them.

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How is that even the same, we don't need Wenger to make us successful, we need a manager who's primary goal is success, Wenger isn't a necessity, I'd say he's a hindrance to potential success.

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

£70m "high margin revenue" does not equate to £70m spending money, unless you're running a 100% margin and your costs are zero.

Moreover, the Ozil transfer cost £42.5m, plus £7.28m wages in this financial year, plus signing-on fee, bonuses and image rights (cost unknown).

We also spent £5,485,961 in agents fees for the period Oct 12 to Sep 13.

I don't know how much actual money we had to spend last summer, but this is to illustrate that buying players at the Ozil level is significantly more expensive and involved than just subtracting 2 big black tabloid numbers from each other.

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There we go. We have a winner.

You know you need to change your stand when GP endorses what you say.

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

£70m "high margin revenue" does not equate to £70m spending money, unless you're running a 100% margin and your costs are zero.

Moreover, the Ozil transfer cost £42.5m, plus £7.28m wages in this financial year, plus signing-on fee, bonuses and image rights (cost unknown).

We also spent £5,485,961 in agents fees for the period Oct 12 to Sep 13.

I don't know how much actual money we had to spend last summer, but this is to illustrate that buying players at the Ozil level is significantly more expensive and involved than just subtracting 2 big black tabloid numbers from each other.

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Yeah but we also culled a lot of the squad thus saving wages, we've also got rid of a lot of big salaries over the years.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yeah but we also culled a lot of the squad thus saving wages, we've also got rid of a lot of big salaries over the years.

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If we have another quiet summer there will be more talk and speculation on whether funds are being made available to Wenger. We've done this before.