Match Reaction vs Dortmund

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Originally Posted by Letters

Not against City.
Heard we were pretty good vs Besiktas (sp) at home too but I didn't see that one.

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I stand corrected, we were decent in mini spells against City, but overall our performance was nothing to shout about. Besiktas was similar to the City game from what I remember and we were hanging on for dear life at the end.

I suppose my point is that Wenger needs to make changes now, this new formation isn't working IMO and he should just abandon it asap.

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Originally Posted by Letters

That isn't what happened last year. :shrug:
We got 79 points - the most we'd got for years. We didn't 'scrape' the 4th place trophy, it was very comfortable. And we won the FA Cup.
If that isn't progress then I don't know what is :shrug:
I don't know where it's going so badly wrong right now because we seemed to be making some good signings but the City game aside we've been awful so far.

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We got 83 points in 07/08. Its not about the points in 07/08 or last year, because a club charging the highest ticket prices in world football should be challenging for the title till the end (at least once in two seasons).

We also got 4th place (could be 3rd place) trophy comfortably the season before last. So we regress and progress in getting 4th place trophy. Where is the progress?

The ONLY sign of progress footballistically was winning the FA Cup trophy and nothing else. Our football is dire as ever, our tactics are dire as ever, our manager does not address the crucial areas. No progress in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Letters

We bossed the City game till they scored, that did take the wind out of our sails.
Last night we were getting hammered from the get go.
There's no comparison in terms of the performance.

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That’s perception. Each team plays differently and we haven’t gone from 100 to zero in the space of one game. In spells where City attacked, we stood off them in the same way we did against Dortmund. City were set up to counter in the first half. They weren’t as aggressive with the way they pressed compared to Dortmund. We looked okay when we had a chance to attack Dortmund but for the majority of the game they shut us down in our own half. City weren’t set up to press like that but haven’t changed our defensive style at all. We switch off and give our opponents way too much space. That didn’t just develop overnight. Did you see Neville’s analysis on Monday Night Footballn when City had a few chances towards the end of the game? It was almost the same as what we saw yesterday. Wave after wave of attack.

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Originally Posted by Letters

We bossed the City game till they scored, that did take the wind out of our sails.
Last night we were getting hammered from the get go.
There's no comparison in terms of the performance.

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I’ve said this before, but you don’t notice the details until we’re hit with a loss. These sort of results don’t just come out of nowhere.

In a world where tactics are vital we just turn up and 'play our game'.

Suicidal.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Wenger is going nowhere for 3 years. Let's just accept that.

So what realistic possibilities are there, if any, to try and take advantage of the fact we have the likes of Ozil, Alexis, Ramsey, Ox, Cazorla, etc in the team. Last night if you'd have swapped the managers Klopp would have used our resources to give Dortmund a good hiding. We have better players than them, but we don't have a better team. Could we do something like try to provoke Wenger every game so he reacts and gets sent to the stands? Could we kidnap him on Saturday mornings? Move the stadium and not tell him where it is? Hold up big signs during the match begging him not to do the things we want him to do, so he does them? Get our own substitution board and whistle so we can make changes during the match? Hire our really crappy cousins to pose as young French or African footballers and send Wenger on endless scouting trips to watch them?

There must be something that can be done?

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I take a handful of non-descript French-Africans over our non-existent midfield right now.

Any incarnation of a "new Vieira" would be harder to bypass than Arteta and co.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

We got 83 points in 07/08. Its not about the points in 07/08 or last year, because a club charging the highest ticket prices in world football should be challenging for the title till the end (at least once in two seasons).

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Arguably, but that's a slightly different argument. One I'm not sure I agree with given the financial doping going on, but with the money we have we should be closer, I agree.
The only sensible measure of progress though is where you are from one season to the next. Are we heading in the right direction? Last season it looked like we were.

[QUOTE=fakeyank;422084]We also got 4th place (could be 3rd place) trophy comfortably the season before last. So we regress and progress in getting 4th place trophy. Where is the progress?[QUOTE=fakeyank;422084]
No we didn't, the season before last we got it by a point on the last day and had Newcastle equalised, we wouldn't have done. Happily the information was incorrect.
Last year we were 7 points clear of 5th place, got more points than any season since 07/08 and won the FA Cup thus getting that monkey off our back and showing that this lot can finish the job.
And at the start of the transfer window the mood on here was quite upbeat, we seemed to be signing some good players for a change. And yet...now it's all going horribly wrong. But that doesn't change the fact that last season showed some promise and the initial transfer business was encouraging.

Yet here we are. Getting regularly murdered by we are supposed to be competing for honours with.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

Yesterday he is asked why he wont buy a proper defensive midfeilder, he responds " If I find one better than the one Ive got then I'll buy one"

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:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

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Originally Posted by ARightTouch

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

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:lol: