Match Reaction - Farmer Giles and the Gang 1-1 Arsenal

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Originally Posted by selassie

Fair enough. I hear what you are saying about none of us knowing but I'm of the opinion that we can't and won't win the league again with Wenger in charge due to his flawed approach.

I'd love to be proven wrong but I see no difference in his approach now to what I did 5 years ago. Sure he has improved the first XI and is more willing to splash on special players, but outside of that the same mistakes are being repeated and quite frankly he has no excuses now, he has absolutely nothing and nobody to hide behind.

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I think my point is I see no difference in his approach now to what I did 15 years ago. I don't think he's fundamentally changed. And we won titles then. It's arguable that football has changed and he's failed to keep up but a big factor in the last decade has been the billionaires. People keep saying that's an excuse but look at where the trophies have ended up. Obviously we'll never know but I reckon we'd have won a title or two in the last decade without them. Now we have the money to compete again and so far this season we are. I agree there are no excuses now, this year we have to properly challenge till the end. Nothing else is good enough. I've seen a few things which make me believe we can.

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Originally Posted by Letters

They aren't.

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Sorry, not the club. Wenger's armed forces are.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Sorry, not the club. Wenger's armed forces are.

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No, they aren't. Literally no-one has said that. Stop building ridiculous straw men.

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Originally Posted by Letters

As in almost any Cup run we had some easy draws and some tough ones.
Our runs were neither unusually easy hard or easy. For comparison, here are the runs of the previous 3 FA Cup winners before us:

Wigan:

Bournemouth home D1-1
Bournemouth away W1-0
Macclesfield Town away W1-0
Huddersfield Town away W4-1
Everton away W3-0
Millwall neutral W2-0
Manchester City neutral W1-0

Chelsea:
Portsmouth home W4-0
Queens Park Rangers away W1-0
Birmingham City home D1-1
Birmingham City away W2-0
Leicester City home W5-2
Tottenham Hotspur neutral W5-1
Liverpool neutral W2-1

City:
Leicester City away D2-2
Leicester City home W4-2
Notts County away D1-1
Notts County home W5-0
Aston Villa home W3-0
Reading home W1-0
Manchester United neutral W1-0
Stoke City neutral W1-0

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I think that puts things into perspective even further. It's not a trophy we really need players like Ozil and Sanchez to win for us. Anyone that has thought this trophy was beyond our reach hasn't come to that conclusion because they thought the level of competition was too good.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Stop building ridiculous straw men.

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You mean our squad?

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

You mean our squad?

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:lol:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...erious-6935246

Reports saying the injury isn't that bad.

Maybe Wenger has asked Sanchez how he feels again. ;)

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Maybe Wenger has asked Sanchez how he feels again. ;)

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:lol: That's usually how we assess players recovering from injury.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I think my point is I see no difference in his approach now to what I did 15 years ago. I don't think he's fundamentally changed. And we won titles then. It's arguable that football has changed and he's failed to keep up but a big factor in the last decade has been the billionaires. People keep saying that's an excuse but look at where the trophies have ended up. Obviously we'll never know but I reckon we'd have won a title or two in the last decade without them. Now we have the money to compete again and so far this season we are. I agree there are no excuses now, this year we have to properly challenge till the end. Nothing else is good enough. I've seen a few things which make me believe we can.

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No, no, no and no.

There's a HUGE difference in his approach. His early teams were loaded with speed, power and fierce winners with that win at all costs mentality focused around a rock hard, in your face, never turn your back on the ball, back five. Then two vicious bastards in the middle feeding blinding counters from one end of the pitch to the opposition goal in seconds. It used to be fatal for the opposition to win a corner against us.

Then Wenger changed EVERYTHING and we've been second rate ever since, artificially elevated by some damn fine players like RvC who dragged the team up on their own. Wenger's vision, once Graham's back four expired, has been entertaining at times, less so for that dour period a few years back where he let the standards slide to the basement, but ultimately a flop. The fans know what we have been lacking for years, Vieira not being replaced for example. Wenger has had other ideas but none of those ideas have panned out. The change in tactics, the youth project, policies in the transfer windows - we always had a bit of money to spend but Wenger has spent it trying to prop up a philosophy that has failed for a decade. It's on him.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

No, no, no and no.

There's a HUGE difference in his approach. His early teams were loaded with speed, power and fierce winners with that win at all costs mentality focused around a rock hard, in your face, never turn your back on the ball, back five. Then two vicious bastards in the middle feeding blinding counters from one end of the pitch to the opposition goal in seconds. It used to be fatal for the opposition to win a corner against us.

Then Wenger changed EVERYTHING and we've been second rate ever since, artificially elevated by some damn fine players like RvC who dragged the team up on their own. Wenger's vision, once Graham's back four expired, has been entertaining at times, less so for that dour period a few years back where he let the standards slide to the basement, but ultimately a flop. The fans know what we have been lacking for years, Vieira not being replaced for example. Wenger has had other ideas but none of those ideas have panned out. The change in tactics, the youth project, policies in the transfer windows - we always had a bit of money to spend but Wenger has spent it trying to prop up a philosophy that has failed for a decade. It's on him.

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:gp:

Yep