Palace vs Arsenal - August 21st KO: 20:00

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I don’t think he’s that good defensively

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Utter rubbish he's one of the best defenders we have, ofc if he hardly gets a game and then is thrown on late-match he may take a moment or two to get up to speed but that blame lies with Arteat for allowing non-starting players to rot on the sidelines

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I think he’s too injury prone

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Yes he's had a couple of injuries but not for a while - admittedly he doesn't get the chance to get one nowadays but still i don't think he's any worse than, for example, Zin or Jesus for injuries and Arteta has them as nailed-on starters

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I don’t think he’s got the hunger you’d want from a professional footballer

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That really is the stupidest thing you've ever said - anyone who's watched him play (at LB) for five minutes knows he's one of the most energetic and committed players we have

sure when Arteta sticks him in the middle of midfield, completely out of position, he looks a like a fish out of water but again that is enteirly down to Arteta being a complete fucking idiot and nothing to do with Tierney

I could be offended by your opinion of my opinion, but then I have to remind myself that you rate Elneny so sometimes it’s just a case of putting things in their proper context.

That’ll do Pig

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I could be offended by your opinion of my opinion, but then I have to remind myself that you rate Elneny so sometimes it’s just a case of putting things in their proper context.

That’ll do Pig

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In all seriousness anyone who ever watched Arsenal play when Tierney was playing regulalry at LB would never say he isn't hungry, it's absurd, he's just been completely demoralised by Arteta

Tierney was one of the breaths of fresh air during those awful lockdown seasons when the quality was so poor. He was even considered a future captain. Clearly Arteta’s obsession with the inverted role has alienated him though which is a shame. I’m surprised there hasn’t been more intense talk of him moving on, if he’s happy slumming it then so be it. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Mac76

In all seriousness anyone who ever watched Arsenal play when Tierney was playing regulalry at LB would never say he isn't hungry, it's absurd, he's just been completely demoralised by Arteta

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He was basically a more limited Saka on the left hand side, racing down the flanks and putting in crosses to no one. Now I’m not blaming him for this if no one else puts in the runs but that was the epoch of his play. And maybe it’s because he’s been injured but the last couple of years he looks like he gets out of breath and gives up, this is even before we bought Zinchenko.
Wasn’t great at stopping crosses from coming in. Blaming Arteta for a player who never consistently looked like meeting his potential seems far fetched to me. Martinelli and Saka as I say have improved despite Arteta, top hungry players thrive in adversity they don’t hide behind it

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

He was basically a more limited Saka on the left hand side, racing down the flanks and putting in crosses to no one. Now I’m not blaming him for this if no one else puts in the runs but that was the epoch of his play. And maybe it’s because he’s been injured but the last couple of years he looks like he gets out of breath and gives up, this is even before we bought Zinchenko.
Wasn’t great at stopping crosses from coming in. Blaming Arteta for a player who never consistently looked like meeting his potential seems far fetched to me. Martinelli and Saka as I say have improved despite Arteta, top hungry players thrive in adversity they don’t hide behind it

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Artrta has decided he likes Saka and Martinelli and so he has invested time in them, it's perfectly clear that where he favours a player he can as you say get more out of them, it's one of the few positives about him

Conversely, when he doesn't take to a player he invests zilch in them and simply ignores them, as we saw last season when our first 11 ran out of steam, not investing time in the rest of the squad is ultimately self-defeating and yet it's what Arteta does

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

If you want to be satisfied with those two games, that’s entirely a matter for you.

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Well, I'm satisfied by the results. Isn't that what it's about?
Famously, I don't often watch full Arsenal games. But from this place and Social Media it seems like you are not alone in being less then satisfied by our start.
But...we have won the games. I saw the highlights from last night. Palace didn't have a change worthy of the name from the bits I saw. I am worried about how clinical we're not in front of goal.

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But yeah holy shit, you can’t believe how much I’m whining when we’ve spent 600 million in four years, and not only buying only one striker in that time but actually removing almost every attacking player from the field, rather than having confidence in our superiority to both defend the lead and try and extend it.

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How about you wait and see how the season starts shaping up? We're 2 games in, both of which you confidently predicted we'd lose or at least drop points. We've won both.
As I said previously, you don't really get a feel for how the season is going till Christmas.

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But yeah totally unreasonable that I’m not happy, great six points…..trust the process :lol:

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Being unhappy about our signings or performances is perfectly reasonable.
Moaning like a bastard after 2 games we've actually won seems a bit ott.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Artrta has decided he likes Saka and Martinelli and so he has invested time in them, it's perfectly clear that where he favours a player he can as you say get more out of them, it's one of the few positives about him

Conversely, when he doesn't take to a player he invest zilch in them and simply ignores them, as we saw last season when pur first 11 ran out of steam, not investing time in the rest of the squad is ultimately self-defeating and yet it's what Arteta does

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Martinelli was out of the Arsenal team for well over a year, there was some claim of injury but it wasn’t anywhere near as serious as to keep him out for that long. Martinelli forced himself into contention…

Tierney went home to cry and cuddle up on the sofa with his boyfriend the club chef. Now you could be saying to me that Arteta took against Tierney because he’s homophobic or he saw a player that other than a pace merchant was limited and preferred to spend his time binge watching Orange is the New Black rather than fight for contention.

Like Martinelli did

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Originally Posted by Letters

Well, I'm satisfied by the results. Isn't that what it's about?
Famously, I don't often watch full Arsenal games. But from this place and Social Media it seems like you are not alone in being less then satisfied by our start.
But...we have won the games. I saw the highlights from last night. Palace didn't have a change worthy of the name from the bits I saw. I am worried about how clinical we're not in front of goal.


How about you wait and see how the season starts shaping up? We're 2 games in, both of which you confidently predicted we'd lose or at least drop points. We've won both.
As I said previously, you don't really get a feel for how the season is going till Christmas.


Being unhappy about our signings or performances is perfectly reasonable.
Moaning like a bastard after 2 games we've actually won seems a bit ott.

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Question, do you watch football. When is the last time you watched Arsenal play? And I don’t mean the two minute sky sports highlight reels

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Question, do you watch football. When is the last time you watched Arsenal play? And I don’t mean the two minute sky sports highlight reels

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I pretty much answered that. I watched the City away game last year, saw the second half of the Community Shield.