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What a waste of money that was. Two seasons he lasted. For anyone that thinks we'll see a dramatic improvment this year from Pod or Giroud...take heed.
To be fair to them, they at least have a crumb of ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Gervinho gives us all hope that one day we might be able to play top level football. A horrific player who lacked any sort of technical ability and composure, without a doubt one of Wenger's worst 8 figure signings.
How did we mug Roma off of ~£7m ?
I'm just going to put this out there:
Nani
A CDM with a surname beginning with the letter g
Suarez
Supermarket sweep for goal keeper and right back.
How did Lille mug us for £10.8 million, it looks like Hazard carried this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Yeah we did well to get that fee to be fair. He's linking up with his old Lille Boss so he may do OK over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
I was never really that sold on him even when he was doing pretty well for Lille, he always had an "air of clumsiness" about him.
Barca have bid for David Luiz. Rumoured to be around 40m.
I actually agree with the part about Cesc and RVP. Both left in bad circumstances. At least Cesc put in decent performances for about 4-5 seasons even though he sulked through his last season. With RVP, he had 1 good season in 8 before he jumped ship. Although his reasons were understandable, he acted as if he had performed consistently for us only to be let down by poor quality team mates. This was true in his last season, but for the other 7 he was either injured or playing like shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
I’m not so sure about that. Wenger can teach composure and finishing. We’ve seen Henry, Ade, RVP, Theo, Cesc all improve on their finishing and decisions. Ability wise, the guy can dribble and skin any player. Giroud and Podolski have no hope in hell of that. Giroud isn’t so bad because as a centre forward, he can rely on others to create space for him. But Pod won’t last another season on that left wing. He can’t dribble or create that much space for himself or others. It’s a problem and I think he’s next out the door if he doesn’t sharpen up quickly. If he starts getting more games up front but fails to impress, he’s gone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Agree with Podolski.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I really like him as an out and out finisher, he just doesn't "fit" into the way we play. Add to that the injuries, and the fact he looked fat/out of shape just recently.
I'd love to see him play off Giroud, but I don't think we can accomodate two in the middle, up top.
Pods seems to be the new camp entertainer, essential for morale. He's on £107K a week isn't he? That's a lot for a jester.
Eboue did that job for half the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Hyper inflation!
Here's our latest pubber trialist. Even YouTube can't make him look half decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkmIo...layer_embedded
United are reportedly in talks with Fellaini.
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Thought it was Osman....
Twitter :haha:
Gullible fans who believe twitter :haha:
They apparently need to free up a non-EU squad spot for him, which is imminent.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
But the deal is done.
Gervinho :lol:
Really, really, shit.
His forehead embarrassed the club so I'm glad he's gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Also he was a shit player.
Have a feeling Gervinho might be one of those players who caught Wengeritis at his time at Arsenal (Wengeritis - a malody commonly associated with playing under Arsene Wenger at Arsenal Football club where an otherwise decent footballer becomes total shite under the tutelage of non cohesive training methods and being played out of position)
True he's got the reasoning ability of a burlap sack but technically very good and is as fast as you like (how many players like that have we got left at Arsenal?....very few)....i have a feeling he will thrive playing under his old coach at Lille.
Where as we are lumbered with the likes of Ramsey (called a work horse despite having done nothing ever to actually earn that moniker) whose pace matches Quentin Crisp when he was mincing around poorly lit London streets during the 1930s.
When you're spending £10m on a player you're not guaranteed much. Wenger probably hoped Gervinho would develop a brain. He didn't and we move on to the next chump.
Thank you Mods all i ask for is consistency! :-)
I think Gervinho wouldve thrived under a hard task master like Ferguson or Mourinho. He had all the traits to be a very good player for us- pace, dribbling and big forehead. All that needed drilled into him is a lot of training to shoot or cross in time. I guess we will find out soon, but I do agree with you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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Al Ain reject Arsenal trial offer for Abdulrahman
The Gunners wanted a closer look at the winger but the UAE club are only prepared to entertain transfer offers, while Angers midfielder El Jadeyaoui has been handed a two-day trial
Arsenal have seen their approach to take Omar Abdulrahman on trial knocked back as Al Ain are only interested in outright transfer bids.
The UAE Pro-League club revealed that the Gunners had invited the 21-year-old to train with them ahead of a potential move.
But Al Ain chairman Sheikh Abdullah bin Mohammed feels Abdulrahman does not need to prove his qualities in unnecessary trial stints and says the club will only listen to serious offers.
"Omar Abdulrahman is a national treasure, which is why the club is keen to study with great attention only serious offers that are beneficial to the player," he is quoted as saying by the National.
"Omar is above having to go on trial to prove his skills, as he has played high-quality league and international matches, which are the real test.
"Any club willing to recruit Omar can check his performance in all his games and then submit a serious offer to sign him.
"If there is one, we are ready to negotiate with the team and reach a compromise."
Abdulrahman caught the eye of a number of clubs while playing for his country at the 2012 Olympic Games and in the AFC Champions League with Al Ain.
Meanwhile, the Gunners have handed a two-day trial to Angers midfielder Alharbi El Jadeyaoui, who was withdrawn from the Ligue 2 side's weekend clash against Istres.
Angers general manager, Olivier Pickeu, has confirmed the move but insisted that the two clubs are not discussing a permanent move yet.
"For Alharbi, this is something else," Pickeu told Ouest-France. "We're not in a negotiation phase yet.
"Arsenal have watched him many times, with Morocco as well. We thought it would be nice for him to spend time in England. It is rewarding for him and it is rewarding for us."
El Jadeyaoui, who spent a week-long trial at Blackburn in 2009, is a left-sided midfielder and could be seen as a replacement for Gervinho, who has agreed an €8 million move to Roma.
Not sure on what basis you make the claim that Arsene can improve players. Adebayor never improved under Wenger, he could still miss an open goal where he could see the stubble on the goalies face. He also had a clumsy first touch. Kanu was the same he had bags of talent but we remember him mostly for his misses. Hleb was another, who could dribble the whole back 4 but couldn't find the net even if his children's lives depended on it. Walcott, what can I say. Hardly better now than the 16 year old who joined us 6 years ago. Don't even start me on the keepers or our kamikaze defending. Wenger s entire resume consists of GGeorge Graham's back 4 and superb purchases in his first 6 years. He has not seen to change his backroom staff even though they have failed us for 8 years. Only the physio who left for England and Bould have come or gone in 16 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Kanu remembered for his misses?
Theo no better than he was at 16?
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at the arrogance of a completely unknown player thinking he is too good to have go on trial? yes i agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
You're obviously 12 years old Cripps, so there's no way you could have watched the seasons of 99 to 2002. Kanu has never been prolific. As for your idol Walcott. I stand by my claim. All pace, can't dribble, can't head the ball, shoot when it's better to pass and vice versa. Sturridge is a better player and I wouldn't want to see him in an Arsenal shirt.lQuote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Obviously :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
I don't recall Theo scoring 20 goals a season and lots of assists as a 16 year old. Maybe in your world he did.
As for Kanu, I remember him mostly for that hat trick tbh.
Kids :rolleyes:
That technique worked pretty well on Ibrahimovic and CR7 I supposeQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Kanu wasn't prolific but then he never was throughout his career. He was a great number 10 type of player, a bit of a maverick who'd pop up with the odd moment of brilliance.
Different player to Gervais who is mostly a runner.
Walcott played the whole season 20 goals. Giroud misses about 5 games scored 17. So what is your point. They are both craps strikers, unfortunately they are the best we have. If Walcott had played the whole season at 16. He probably would have scored 12 or so. Fortunately, then we had better players ahead of him, Unlike now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
Kanu was a really skillful player who was a great player to come on and mix things up, he'd give teams real problems with his dribbling ability and ability to hold onto the ball and was just something different (it's good to have players like this so if things aren't working you have a different option).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Never prolific but did a very good job for us, his finishing was never all that but then we had other player who could finish in those days, all over the pitch.
Ok now I know you have no idea what you are talking about.
Theo was hardly in the team first couple of months.
Oh well, you can always dream of Sturridge
That's an exaggeration. He can't turn water into wine and he's lost his touch as of late, but that's not right at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Ade was terrible but he got better under us and grew some balls in front of goal. How we managed to get 30 goals from him in a season from a player of that that nature; it's impressive. RVP turned into a madman for us. An out and out goal scorer and team player. He became clinical and his movement off the ball imprived dramatically. He started to move with intelligence and like a proper striker. Theo has sharpened up on his finishing, runs and decisions. Still has a way to go with his dribbling but I think it's impossible to improve that so late in his career. It's like Ade's terrible first touch. He's only going to get fractionally better.
You can't say Wenger hasn't improved players and it's beyond his ability to get Gervinho to make smarter choices and more clinical in front of goal. He has many flaws but I believe over time Gervinho would have improved on his chance conversion rate.
Ok some polemics in my statement, it's the nature of outbursts borne out of frustration. I think it's a given that our training is crap. As a team we do not improve year on year, witness our games in the Emirates cup, same old turgid shift. So what's to say that players without self motivation can improve on technique. If no one is taking them aside and pointing out specifics , then devising tailor made routines to iron out these flaws, why will they improve. Players like Bregkamp and Henry spend time on their own honing already impressive abilities. I see no improvement in Walcott, simply natural progression, not massive gained. Hisonly asset is speed. He is onemajor injury or 4 more years of losing that, then what. Does somebody thing Bale just developed from a slipshod LB to the world's most prized player by chance. No I doubt it. Something about the whole Wenger organisation smacks me of indolence and complacency. I swear Arsenal does a review of each season at it's end and 5 mins later concludes that we were simply unlucky and next season, things will simply full into place with maybe a small , verysverysmall tweak. The legend of Wenger as one of football's great thinkers has long died for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Walcott has lost a yard of pace. He doesn't even have that as an asset now. His only asset is randomness, by thrashing at the ball or charging headlong down the pitch enough times it eventually goes in the direction he wants or he stumbles past an opponent. Awful player and I do agree a lot of this seems to be down to Wenger. He takes players with potential and weeds that potential out of them, replacing it with percentage play and robotics. Ox has dropped at lest two levels since he joined us, all the natural flair has gone from his game. Podolski, another player on the Arsenal fast track to nowhere. Arshavin. Gervinho. Arteta played out of position. No Adams, no Henry, no Bergkamp, no Pires, no Vieira. No natural talents and natural leaders. Were these the real architects behind our great teams? Was Wenger just along for the ride? Nobody can say for sure but the evidence is starting to mount up.