Wenger Out?

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Originally Posted by Syn

Seemed like the crowd were giving Krul a hard time right from the start. I didn't think he was wasting too much time but the fans were drawing attention to it. It's possible that 5 mins added on could've been 4 mins had it not been for the crowd being petulant and booing the fuck out of him.

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It reminds me of the old crowd at highbury when we were playing shit, and had our backs against the wall. We'd just come out fighting, and it great to see from fans and players alike.

If there is one thing I could say to this team right now, it's "never forget this period. Never forget just how much wanting to win at all costs bears fruit and gets the fans on your side. If you want to win anything, ever, you can never be complacent, and 100% is the only way".

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Originally Posted by LDG

It reminds me of the old crowd at highbury when we were playing shit, and had our backs against the wall. We'd just come out fighting, and it great to see from fans and players alike.

If there is one thing I could say to this team right now, it's "never forget this period. Never forget just how much wanting to win at all costs bears fruit and gets the fans on your side. If you want to win anything, ever, you can never be complacent, and 100% is the only way".

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You should be giving team talks, mate! Hopefully RVP is saying exactly the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping

Sensible stuff. People can talk about us being fickle if we are now in two minds about wenger after 5 games, but its simple really - the manner in which the team has played, and the spirit that they have shown demonstrates that the manager has not lost his players, and that Wenger has not forgotten how to make a team tick.

People grumble about CL football being regarded as an achievement - but we have to look at our current league position in context. It is almost impossible to compete with Citeh's wealth - the fact that Manure have been able to do so is a testament to the talent of the best British manager the country has ever seen - and even Manure are considerably better resourced than we are. Behind them - well we are just a point behind the team that have been the media's darlings all season, and who have repeatedly been described as having a far better/deeper squad than we have. Not bad going for what has been our worst season in recent years. Behind us are the Chavs - who have shown precisely what can happen when you decide a change of manager is the solution to underperformance...and look at Liverpool who appointed a club legend as manager, have spent shit-loads and may well not be playing European football at all next season.

We have to accept that the league is ever more competetive. If a new manager were to come in and finish 3rd or 4th any sensible fan would regard that as a decent achievement.

Also, we have to look at other factors. People bemoan our lack of consistency, pointing out that we have had good runs before and then the wheels have come off. Well, they have never come off sufficiently for us to lose a European place. Unlike Spurs. Unlike Liverpool. Unlike possibly the Chavs this season. We do need to keep things in context.

Then look at what we have had to contend with this season. Our captain and best player, and another 2 important players leaving over the Summer, in very disruptive circumstances. Even Citeh would have struggled if they had lost Ya Ya Toure and Silva. What if Manure had lost Rooney and Valencia? Even with resources, your best players are difficult to replace, and them leaving will disrupt/weaken a team - at least temporarily. And thats before we even get to our season-long injury crisis. We have lost arguably our best midfielder for the entire season, and played half the season without a left back. Its no coincidence that our team looks far more balanced and far more threatening with Gibbs and Sagna back.

We rightly criticise the manager's decision making - and we had a miserable Summer, and have suffered from Wenger's stubbornness in not ringing in proper cover - particularly up front (although that particular gamble has worked so far). But lets in fairness look at the things he has got right. We criticise his perserverance with the likes of Ramsey, Djourou, Walcott - but he perservered also with RVP and Rosicky through years of injury. He seems to have bought duds in Chamakh; Park but Koscielny; Oxlade; Arteta; Mertesacker have all been shrewd signings. Jenkinson and Santos both showed glimpses of potential before their respective long term injuries. For a last minute panic mass buy - last Summer's signings, while disruptive in the short term, may well largely prove to be suceessful ones. It is not an easy thing to pull off mass successful signings.

Wenger still has much to prove - for the rest of the season and over the Summer - but where we are now, as opposed to a month ago, is that there is reason to hope that he can get it right.

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Its a good post mate but i still sense fragility within the unit and I know, I just know, we are a harsh loss away from falling apart again. We have "easy" games coming up but a limp draw and the a loss will see the daggers come out again.

The point about the signings is a good one, perhaps the period we have been shit for is the time it has taken them to settle in, i think Kos and in particular Arteta are fantastic players not just in ability and attitude but also in the shifts they put in to help their team mates. When the player of the year awards come out its only ever going to be RvP but i think those 2 have made this come back possible.

I can dream we will overtake those lilly-white lilly livered upstarts from up the road but I do fear we are still an eggshell club at best. We also still cant defend and while set pieces seem to have improved we are clueless, embarrassingly clueless from throw-ins.

A few things still need polishing I just hope this particular turd isn't too brown already.

i say this every fucking year but im saying it again.

ONE MORE SUMMER.

thats all he's got.

if he makes the same mistakes again, and does not sign up RVP, then i promise you that is it for me.

and the same goes for the board.

if we cannot keep RVP and offer him what he wants then its the start of the demise for the club. we can all clearly see that he is the best striker in the world and completely carried us into 4th/potential 3rd. what else do the board need a player to do for them to be persuaded to offer him a bloody big contract?

he's no nasri. no cesc. he hasn't stated he's got a boyhood club nor seems interested by solely money.

he is a complete role model and gentleman.

if we keep crap like squillaci, chamakh, arshavin and dont replace them, or use the 'we will not sign experience because the kids need to grow' then thats it for me.

we are darn well fortunate we have rvp otherwise we'd be mid-table. they took a massive chance by not signing a decent striker last summer/january but luck will eventually run out. it only takes an injury to rvp and we're done.

and if we arent equipped for it, my tide will firmly be against wenger.

we need to BUILD year on year, not have summers that set us back 3 years. so build on this year FFS.

This summer does seem the ideal time to get rid of the deadwood and overhaul the squad, if it doesn't happen now it never will.

Squid, Almunia, Denilson, Bendtner, Vela, Arshavin, Chamakh...there's a lot of funds to be freed up there. Of course the hardest part is finding buyers stupid enough to take them.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

This summer does seem the ideal time to get rid of the deadwood and overhaul the squad, if it doesn't happen now it never will.

Squid, Almunia, Denilson, Bendtner, Vela, Arshavin, Chamakh...there's a lot of funds to be freed up there. Of course the hardest part is finding buyers stupid enough to take them.

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Arsene needs to befriend Pullis, Allardyce, Hughes and Coyle.

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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping

and look at Liverpool who appointed a club legend as manager, have spent shit-loads and may well not be playing European football at all next season.

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Well we're already in the qualifying for the Europa League due to the Carling Cup, but I get your point.

We have been awful on the whole.

Wont have any problems selling Squillachi or Chamakh tbf. Bendtner is apparently off to Russia and just release the rest of them

Almunia :wave:

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Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss

Well we're already in the qualifying for the Europa League due to the Carling Cup, but I get your point.

We have been awful on the whole.

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You will be ok when all that great young English talent comes good