Goodbye Sanga?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Players walking, players bitching, a silent board, a manager who states both opposites at the same time, and all of it passed down through the fans who are fuck this, fuck that. Not the signature of a club going anywhere but down. In footballing terms. The share price continues to rise. It has been about the share price for a long time now. For every problem, every negative sentiment, every footballing failure and every chip away at the prestige of the club you can look to that share price. It's at the heart of it all. A bunch of grubby thieves who have already dug out half the gold and a grubby yank with a sack ready to get his. And a grubby Russian waiting in the wings. The only decision fans have to make is whether they will spend another year playing along or whether they have had enough and decide to get off the merry-go-round. The cheer your club come what may argument only holds water for as long as the fuckers actually at the club are pulling in the same direction as you. They aren't. Supporting them is actually harming the club. The worst aspect for a fan is looking for the alternative. There isn't one. This is how football is now. You let the wrongs sorts in, like your Abramovich or 40 thieves from the desert or that sorry excuse for a human being Rupert Murdoch and this is what you get. We need a forest fire now, we need the game to burn to the ground before it can grow again. In the grand scheme of things, who is this bloke Sagna? Nobody at all.

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fuck this; sajma is one in the line of many stupid greedy moneygrabbing footballers that have to learn to keep their gobs shut and help the club to success. There is a place and a time for that --- like when the season is over; in which case he will be a disloyal cu unt and just agitating for a move. Or he could wait till midseason --- in which case wtf is he spewing such shit when we are battling for CL qualification.

There is a time and place for such shit! Sajma should stfu

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ticle-2190888/Santi-Cazorla-says-Arsenal-need-replace-Robin-van-Persie-Alex-Song.html

PUBLISHED:11:04, 20 August 2012 | UPDATED:11:04, 20 August 2012




goodbye carzola?

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

You know what's weird? The amount of effort someone will go to to pretend to be an Arsenal fan.

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Originally Posted by gooners

fuck this; sajma is one in the line of many stupid greedy moneygrabbing footballers that have to learn to keep their gobs shut and help the club to success. There is a place and a time for that --- like when the season is over; in which case he will be a disloyal cu unt and just agitating for a move. Or he could wait till midseason --- in which case wtf is he spewing such shit when we are battling for CL qualification.

There is a time and place for such shit! Sajma should stfu

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Sagna needs to get religion. to thank God for creating a world where a bloke who is moderately decent at kicking a ball around gets elevated above that world and can live on the backs of a crowd of people who are only too happy to be stepped on. Instead of pissing down he needs to say thanks. But he's just a footballer so it would never cross his mind to be anything other than a self obsessed and entitled prick. The **** will say what he wants, when he wants - just like any of them would the minute things stopped going their way. Let him speak, not speak, slag the club, praise the club. I thought I cared, now I realise it's old habits dying hard and not genuine sentiment. Not that we have any say in it anyway and not that we'd enter his thoughts before his mouth starts flapping. The outrage of fans is a like rain on a roof, you think the people under the roof give a shit beyond getting irritated by the noise? Besides it's shit stew, not something anybody would want to eat but if it's the only thing on the menu and the alternative is starvation then you get a spoon. The players know this. Owners know it, media knows it. For every fucked off fan another ten are queuing. So really, what are the consequences if a player wants to shit on you? The only thing he'll be worried about is whether the advice he just got from is agent will get him the move and the required pay rise and signing bonus. Probably better not to give this **** any more time or thought. He's not worth it. None of them are.

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Originally Posted by gooners

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ticle-2190888/Santi-Cazorla-says-Arsenal-need-replace-Robin-van-Persie-Alex-Song.html

PUBLISHED:11:04, 20 August 2012 | UPDATED:11:04, 20 August 2012





goodbye carzola?

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Brush that under the carpet. He gets a pass because he's new. :lol:

This is like a domino effect and the club will have to do something different to stop this sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Brush that under the carpet. He gets a pass because he's new. :lol:

This is like a domino effect and the club will have to do something different to stop this sort of thing.

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How about sign someone who isn't an under 17 goalkeeper?

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Originally Posted by Newguy

I agree with this...Sagna's injured, so bottom line it...doesnt matter what he thinks right now!! I wanna see players working for the shirt and wearing it with pride, not complaining. Sagna was always gonna moan sooner or later, have we forgot that he's the guy always blaming someone else on the field when things fuck up? The famed "it wasnt my fault" shrug of the shoulders.. LOL. He's not a leader, those who were saying he could be captain need to have a word with themselves LOL.

Then theres this talk about the senior players feeling the same as he does....Really?? The senior players that would feel the same are gone or going. Im surprised some of you havent grasped that Wenger is changing the squad dynamics, the losers are going, those with question marks about their commitment are going....fuck all the "the clubs made a profit again..."talk aswell, in my eyes we will hopefully have a dressing room of players willing to fight for each other and the club, not wish they were Clichy, Nasri or some other dude at a different club. We have extended the contracts of players that we want i.e Vermaelen, Kos and with Gibbs, Jenkinson (who is showing masses of improvement) Per and Santos I dont hear much dissension in the defence, so Sagna is the odd one out in my eyes.

Sagna is moaning that he hasnt had an approach by the club to extend his contract...maybe the club see a future with him out because he does shit like complain about wanting to be Nasri and Clichy to the fucking press instead of holding his own counsel, getting fit and fighting for the team. Imagine having a desk job where all you do is type and you break your hands and your employer still pays you full pay (not SSP) while you recover?? Sagna needs to get his priorities in order.

See for me....publicly I support the club, if im not happy with how the club is run then that can be discussed with gooners but they also in the end...support the club, we can keep it in house, but for example im not having some manc or spud dissing my club...it's not happening...and I will publically back the model of how the club is run if I can see strides being made to change things. Ive been waiting for Bould and Banfield, Bould in particular to be pushed into the first team coaching staff, that he is assistant manager is a massive bonus. This will change things, do you think Bouldy will accept players, senior ones at that, not setting the right example to the younger players coming in?? Of course not...Sagna is a loser if he's not up for the challenge plain and simple...hand in a transfer request and shut your mouth. Bould is the biggest signing of our Summer guys, believe that.

Im not saying there is anything wrong with being envious of the clubs that can throw big money at good players, hence building super squads, which lead to the higher possibility of trophies, but this "player support" of those publicly destabilising the dressing room from some of you on here is borderline "suspect" and is kinda weak. Right now I think we haver a group of players that have belief, but we also have a group of players with a lot of quality IMO. If you go through our current squad, barring Sagna and Arshavin I dont see anyone still at the club that would not be positive about their arsenal career, thats a new foundation in my eyes and I'm willing to see how it goes...

Fuck Sagna, Fuck RvP, Fuck Song, if Walcott dont wanna stay fuck him aswell. These players havent/didnt win us shit, one of them is playing for MAN U FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

The season has begun and it's time to start getting behind the players that want to play for the club and see us do well. We're building a new foundation, this may take some time and i have a feeling some "fans" wont have the time to wait, but then you aren't the "fans" the club need in times such as these...if you cant see when The Arsenal need to be backed when dicks like Sagna start bringing their insecurities to the forefront while attempting to find a fresh can of fuel so he can start a new fire...I dont know what to tell you except that......Sagna is a prick.

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Exact same things were said when Henry and co were talking out loud. This is a glitch in the Matrix. De javu. :lol:

I don't even like Sagna that much, he's takes no responsibility on the pitch, is far from a leader and he's not that good at crossing the ball either. If the club decide to sell him, as an individual, I don't think it will hurt us that much. But the message it sends out if we don't replace him with a solid player just spreads that doubt and frustration on to another player if we go trophyless again. It's a domino effect and hasn't stopped since Vieira. We cleared out the Invincible team, started fresh with players like Cesc, RVP, Hleb, Ade, Flamini, Senderos, Rosicky, Toure, Gallas, Nasri.....they all had the hunger to win like we're seeing with the new boys now, but that slowly was drained away from the club because of stupid transfer decisions. Selling Hleb, Flamini and that Ade business set us back badly and all could have been avoided.

We've seen the glitch again with RVP, Nasri, Song and Cesc and you've got to wonder whether or not the club will learn again from their past mistakes. An attitude adjustment from the players and fans won't change anything. Something has to happen at the top. Will we see that this year....time will tell. But until the club sort out the way we do business, we will continue to have this discussion like we've had 5/6 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Exact same things were said when Henry and co were talking out loud. This is a glitch in the Matrix. De javu. :lol:

I don't even like Sagna that much, he's takes no responsibility on the pitch, is far from a leader and he's not that good at crossing the ball either. If the club decide to sell him, as an individual, I don't think it will hurt us that much. But the message it sends out if we don't replace him with a solid player just spreads that doubt and frustration on to another player if we go trophyless again. It's a domino effect and hasn't stopped since Vieira. We cleared out the Invincible team, started fresh with players like Cesc, RVP, Hleb, Ade, Flamini, Senderos, Rosicky, Toure, Gallas, Nasri.....they all had the hunger to win like we're seeing with the new boys now, but that slowly was drained away from the club because of stupid transfer decisions. Selling Hleb, Flamini and that Ade business set us back badly and all could have been avoided.

We've seen the glitch again with RVP, Nasri, Song and Cesc and you've got to wonder whether or not the club will learn again from their past mistakes. An attitude adjustment from the players and fans won't change anything. Something has to happen at the top. Will we see that this year....time will tell. But until the club sort out the way we do business, we will continue to have this discussion like we've had 5/6 years ago.

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What if the club doesn't see the last 6-7 years as a mistake? What if they view those years as success? Certainly the shareholders who cashed out will see things at least a little differently to the average fan.

Then the fans need to start asking the right sort of questions if that's the case. It's not as if Sagna is the first player to talk out loud. I'm just tired of the déjà vu.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Lahey

here we go again, another one of our best players is concerned about the clubs policy and he is being blasted for it. instead of using these comments to spark change the fans would rather say fuck Sagna, Song, RVP, Cesc, Nasri...Henry, Vieria, Freddie etc...im glad these guys are coming out with this...the management need to be called out by someobody with a voice!

but some fans would rather stay quiet and except the bullshit for the way it is. a bunch of pussy's who are too scared for a change at the club. guess what though, it will never change as long as this lot are still in charge. you can forget about the titles and the great football we used to play. that was all dependant on building a team, a team with consistent players who know the system and who have experience playing it. we are not in that business, we dismantle teams and sell players on for the almighty dollar.i used to say fuck every player who wanted to leave us, but the fact is, they are right! but people still want them to shut the fuck up, I dont get it to be honest.

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This

Every thing Sagna said was right and if it changes the way the dumbasses in charge change then its for the greater good.

Fans can say all that til they are blue in the face but the board/manager will never pay attention. If a player does it, it will hopefully make them sit up and notice that they are destroying this great club from within.