Formula 1 2013

He did stay behind, though.

He did but Vettel was able to fend him off - Webber says himself that he didn't let up.

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"Of course I ignored the team and I was battling to the end[...]"

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It was a dick move by Vettel but this is what you get with racing drivers. Damon Hill said it there on that link, asking a driver not to race is only going to piss them off. Hard for Webber to take being on the receiving end I am sure but the opportunity will come where he can get the advantage and he's bound to take it.

Chinese Grand Prix

Shanghai, 12-14 April

http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/00/88/91/23_big.jpg

Hamilton on pole. He is great.

Kimi 2nd.
Alonso 3rd

Webber 'ran out of fuel' in q2 so he'll start way down :rolleyes:

Well done to Hamilton.

Webber did a Webber.

Q1 didn't have a time set until after 8 minutes in. Q3 was sillier, no time set until the time had elapsed. :lol:

Vettel didn't bother setting a time in Q3.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

I have no idea what you're talking about now. Defending Vettel for his actions today is pointless as even his own team has slapped him down for it.

IBS and his classic going off on a tangent.

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I'm not 'defending' him. I'm saying that at the end of the day, the sport will support drivers who want to race, and winners. Not some 'noble' teammate who needs team orders to win. Or am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by IBK

am I missing something?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Yes.

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I'm not sure. I understand the principle point. I understand also that a successful team can fail when both drivers don't get treated fairly. But team orders are part of the hard-nosed, money-driven part of the sport. Traditional racing fans, while criticising the spirit in which he behaved, surely have at least a sneaking regard for a faster driver who would not be shackled? Everyone knows Vettel is the better driver. Does Webber need charity to give him a win?

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Originally Posted by IBK

I'm not sure. I understand the principle point. I understand also that a successful team can fail when both drivers don't get treated fairly. But team orders are part of the hard-nosed, money-driven part of the sport. Traditional racing fans, while criticising the spirit in which he behaved, surely have at least a sneaking regard for a faster driver who would not be shackled? Everyone knows Vettel is the better driver. Does Webber need charity to give him a win?

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Again, you're demonstrating that you don't know what you're talking about.

The team order was given to BOTH drivers.

One obeyed the order, one didn't. It had nothing to do with the speed of either.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Again, you're demonstrating that you don't know what you're talking about.

The team order was given to BOTH drivers.

One obeyed the order, one didn't. It had nothing to do with the speed of either.

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OK - so you are saying that Webber just accepted getting fucked in the arse. For me the same point applies. Also - everyone heard the race radio from Vettel saying he was faster.