Next Arsenal manager?

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

can you name me a couple of clubs "just as small as everton who are on a restrained budget yet manage to pull above their weight and win trophies" then? and by that i mean win trophies and stay consistent, not get relegated 6 months later. cause once again, im finding it hard to think of many. i think its just a fantasised statement to back your argument up; a pipeline dream rebelling the actualities of football. which teams have exactly pushed on from being a load of crap, which everton admittedly were, to winning trophies and being decent? even we cant be classified as being in that category cause we were successful and a big club before wenger was here.

moyes isnt my first choice, i think everyone knows its always been klopp but i just find it bizarre you disregard him and seem to belittle his achievements when logic suggests he's a perfectly able manager to take over the helm from wenger. i guess im sticking up for moyes because i think he's a realistic candidate more than anything. in our discussions we've got to remain level headed, we wont be going for anyone flashy or someone outspoken, we wont be going for anyone who defies the boards culture and we wont be going for someone who is elite. i think we all know that. i want klopp here but when i take a step back, deep down i know it probably wont happen. i post it in threads as an attempt to have a dig at wenger but its just a dream; with every season that passes his stock is getting higher and the board will go for a complete tangent as usual.

so when you look at the next tier of managers available i think moyes is a pretty credible candidate, and the reasons why was explained in our early interactions. is it a concern he's never won a trophy? of course. but it was a concern when i picked up the paper on the morning of the 30th september 1996 and saw someone called 'arsene wenger' taking charge of my football club! someone who id never heard of before! look how that turned out.

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This is getting old. Napoli, Athetico, Sevilla, Valencia, are Shakhtar Donetsk minted? No idea if these guys are as poor as Everton or just badly run but Moyes isn't a step up. 11 consequtive seasons as Boring just said.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I'd be more inclined to argue that they could play a prettier and more technical game or that's what they should aspire to. I can't see how they'd expect to rise so quickly in the ranks or win honours when so many other well established teams haven't managed to.

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your biggest failing on here is that you never read peoples posts properly. you flick read, then fire into a response. just a general point.

no need to reply about stoke as i'm done talking those fucks.

You always have to take a pot shot. It's petty, dude. :lol:

that really was an accurate point. i've seen others state the same. several times i've debated with you and it gets pointless eventually because you don't actually read in the points made and respond to them - you just fall back into generic points that are nothing to do with what has been said. See 'pretty football' and 'winning trophies' today.

it's up to you if you take it on board, i'm just pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

that really was an accurate point. i've seen others state the same. several times i've debated with you and it gets pointless eventually because you don't actually read in the points made and respond to them - you just fall back into generic points that are nothing to do with what has been said. See 'pretty football' and 'winning trophies' today.

it's up to you if you take it on board, i'm just pointing it out.

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Then maybe you need to be more clear on what your saying and I'll try to do the same. I've read back your posts in case I've missed something and it's not making sense to me.

So should Stoke be in higher league position because of the money they spend and years in the Prem? As said, there are well established teams in the league like Fulham, as you pointed out, who have only just about broken into the top 10 on a few occasions and they've been in the Prem since 2001. How much Stoke have spent recently can't really be compared to what Fulham would have spent in the years to stay in the Prem because the market has changed. I would say they've done well to stay in the Prem and establish themselves as a Prem team when so many others have gone done.

But I would argue that they should be trying to move away from the long ball game and play prettier more technical football. It's not too far of a stretch of what you said to Zimm if I'm not mistaken so I don't know why there is a huge disagreement over this. But to play a more technical game would probably require a change in management and money to be spent and that's risky business as many teams like Blackburn and Bolton have taken such risks and it's cost them their Premier League place. Then you have clubs like Portsmouth and Middlesbrough to think about who have disappeared from the Prem.

That may clear things up a bit. If you compare Stoke City to the clubs around them, they're doing okay to stay stable but how they push on, I have no idea because many with longer established histories and deeper pockets and messed up badly in the past.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

if wenger left this summer, moyes would be in the frame. absolutely guaranteed.

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I really hope not, I couldn't go through another 10 years of the same sh*t, he's a decent manager but that's it......the parallels with Wenger are uncanny in the last 8 years or so.

I'd like to see a forward thinking, ambitious manager, not scared to sign big names if they become available and it makes sense to go in for them, someone who is tactically sound and recognises the need for substitutions and someone who see's a problem and tries to solve it at least.

Wtf is it with all this Moyes talk recently?

On here, talksport won't shut about him and Everton today. They have hardly talked about Reading manager being sacked

Moyes has never really been under the spotlight and after the shocker against Wigan it seems like the fans and media are now starting to ask serious questions. If you produce the same thing every season with no improvement, every set of fans will grow restless.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

care to explain what they are?

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Well Power_n_Glory has done a pretty good job of explaining my doubts about Moyes.


1) I don't think he places enough attacking emphasis - obviously he's no Allardyce or Pulis but you if we want to go back to the top our attack has to be a lot stronger whilst our defence is not compromised.
2) He doesn't have the same level of contacts and influence around the footballing world that Wenger has hence harder to attract players
3) He isn't as good at developing younger players
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Like Wenger he's done well with his resources at his disposal but Everton appear not to be capable of progressing to the next level. Granted he doesn't have the same level of finance available to him, but like Wenger's teams the same constant unanswered issues always remain.

I agree with GB though. I'd much rather take a Liverpool style risk on a young exciting manager who could be here for the long term and really get us back to our glory days than go for a safe choice like Moyes.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS

Reasonable arguments from GG.