When will Arteta be sacked by

I fear for the team next season.

We have a threadbare squad that couldn’t cope with the demands of a 38 game season and early exit from both cup competitions.

Now we have EL to add into the mix next season. I think we’ll be fortunate to finish 5th or better next year,

Depends what we do in the summer.
We all agreed we needed to clear out dead wood. But it needs to be replaced with quality. If we don’t do that then yeah, we’re screwed.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Depends what we do in the summer.
We all agreed we needed to clear out dead wood. But it needs to be replaced with quality. If we don’t do that then yeah, we’re screwed.

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do you think we are going to get a selection of 1st choice players or pad out the squad with rotational ones. Obviously we need a 1st choice striker and that probably wont be top drawer had we made the CL.

Otherwise do we get a better back up right back, a left back who could challenge Tierney for first choice, another CM to usurp Xhaka. The four behind the striker seem settled and we arent in a position to have 2 quality players for each position as we dont have enough quality games to justify that.

So i would have a 1st choice striker, potential 1st choice left back, a strong CM and a back up right back. If Saliba returns then CB is ok with White, Gabriel, Saliba and Holding.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

do you think we are going to get a selection of 1st choice players or pad out the squad with rotational ones. Obviously we need a 1st choice striker and that probably wont be top drawer had we made the CL.

Otherwise do we get a better back up right back, a left back who could challenge Tierney for first choice, another CM to usurp Xhaka. The four behind the striker seem settled and we arent in a position to have 2 quality players for each position as we dont have enough quality games to justify that.

So i would have a 1st choice striker, potential 1st choice left back, a strong CM and a back up right back. If Saliba returns then CB is ok with White, Gabriel, Saliba and Holding.

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We REALLY need Saliba to come home.

The rest of the centre backs are average and Holding is less than average.

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Originally Posted by Chippy

We REALLY need Saliba to come home.

The rest of the centre backs are average and Holding is less than average.

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They’re not average - they were just made to look average in the final third of the season when they lost both fullbacks to either side of them, Tomas Partey in front of them and were playing through injuries. Our first choice back 6 (inc. GK and Partey) are solid when they’re all fit.

I’m with you on Saliba, though - the kid looks an absolute unit and the competition will push all 3 CBs to another level. I also wouldn’t be surprised if we invested heavily in fullbacks again - that’s two seasons in a row now that have fallen apart because of fullback issues and we can’t be having a third.

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do you think we are going to get a selection of 1st choice players or pad out the squad with rotational ones. Obviously we need a 1st choice striker and that probably wont be top drawer had we made the CL.

Otherwise do we get a better back up right back, a left back who could challenge Tierney for first choice, another CM to usurp Xhaka. The four behind the striker seem settled and we arent in a position to have 2 quality players for each position as we dont have enough quality games to justify that.

So i would have a 1st choice striker, potential 1st choice left back, a strong CM and a back up right back. If Saliba returns then CB is ok with White, Gabriel, Saliba and Holding.

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It sounds like the plan is to build out a smaller group of around 22 players who have more tactical flex to them - as Clive on Arsenal Vision puts it, players who can do one and a half jobs. Players like Saka and Tomiyasu who can both do their primary job to a high standard, but can also play 2 or 3 other roles to a 7/10 standard. Saliba has a bit of that flex to his game, as do a lot of the players we’re being linked with (Jesus, Hickey, Zinchenko, Dimarco, etc).

It’s gonna be fascinating to see what we do this window - we have a core of 11 or 12 players who I think we should be building around, and we could take this team in any one of 3 or 4 different directions, depending on who we add to them. Really struggling to call it at the moment.

In terms of numbers, we’ve already trimmed the squad down from something like 28 or 29 players (way too bloated) to 19 (too lean), and I’m expecting more still to depart this summer (definitely Laca, maybe Pepe, Leno and Xhaka, maybe Cedric or Nuno) - I can easily see it being another summer where we see 6 or 7 new faces coming in. Easily. And even then I think we’ll probably need another summer and a further 2 or 3 new faces before the job is done!

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They’re not average - they were just made to look average in the final third of the season when they lost both fullbacks to either side of them, Tomas Partey in front of them and were playing through injuries. Our first choice back 6 (inc. GK and Partey) are solid when they’re all fit.

I’m with you on Saliba, though - the kid looks an absolute unit and the competition will push all 3 CBs to another level. I also wouldn’t be surprised if we invested heavily in fullbacks again - that’s two seasons in a row now that have fallen apart because of fullback issues and we can’t be having a third.

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Totally agree with your full backs comment. Tierney and Tommy are made of glass. If Newcastle do in fact come in for Tierney as mentioned in the press for 40m, I would bite their arm off!

That Jed Spence would be well worth a punt. He was a moster against us in the cup

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Totally agree with your full backs comment. Tierney and Tommy are made of glass. If Newcastle do in fact come in for Tierney as mentioned in the press for 40m, I would bite their arm off!

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And then knowing our luck he'll never get injured again

I know Tierney got injured in a no-importance Scotland game, but Arteta needs to learn to rotate more and rest players, he's to blame for some of the injuries

But yes, in order to rotate two good FBs are urgently required especially as we need to ditch Cedric and Xhaka of course who sometimes ends up at LB

Btw the fact Newcastle are looking to poach our players is a sign of things to come, if he goes what does that say about which club Tierney thinks is on the up?

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Agreed, so you can leave the board now as clearly there's no point in discussing anything anymore...

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The leftie who isn't a leftie falls back on the typical leftie tactic - shut them up in case they say something obviously revealing to normal people but dangerously revealing to lefties. You leave if people posting bothers you so much. Snowflake.

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Well, honestly, none of us know if that will happen.

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Can you give a hint at how many years it's going to take for you to figure it out? I mean, it's a sure thing. A decade later, what are you holding out for?

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I honestly do admire your loyalty and positivity for the club Letters, however:

You say that we have a young team and that we were tired because of injuries. Really?

We had no European football, and just one match in the FA Cup (dumped out by a Championship club). And they play on carpet every week.

Why didn’t we buy a striker in January to push us on when it was clear that Auba was leaving? And possibly one additional squad player for cover.

Yes, I predicted a 7th place finish, but if you put yourselves in an excellent position to get fourth, you go full throttle to do it! Not bottle it at the end.

You are correct about comparing History (I had a season ticket in the 80’s under Terry Neil and Don Howe, it was awful ☹) , however, we moved stadiums to compete with the so called “Big Boys”.

Unfortunately, that ended when we did move to the Emirates.

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I thought the 80's and Neill and Howe were fucking great. Yeah, the football was a bit of a drag but at least it was real men going at it, instead of pampered poofters. But the whole day out was what life was all about. Started on Friday night and didn't end until a sorry Sunday afternoon, waking up with ten times as many brain cells as Mac possesses in total having been wiped out.

And it cost about fifteen quid, maybe twenty if you were determined to do your liver. That included match entry.

Trains seemed to run on time too.

Was still great to see the like of Liam Brady strolling around like he owned the place, which he usually did.

Good times. Sad to see them used by fans making apologies for the cynical bullshit that masquerades as football today.

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Every team we are supposedly in competition with to win the league. City. Pool, Chelsea will get stronger next season, all having far far better managers and players and more likely than us to get the top tier of players who could lift us as a team. Spurs, West Ham, Newcastle, Maybe Leicester are the real teams we are competing with and between us and them I dont see much of an advantage we would have as a desirable destination for the 2nd tier of players we would need. Are players around the globe seriously dreaming of playing under Arteta.

Eternal optimism can only take you so far until you are stomped on hard by reality. By Xmas the old the old optimists will be telling us to "Give him till the end of the season"

Some of you are like Charlie from the "Peanuts cartoon. Lucy holding the ball and telling you to run up and give it a swift kick.........Fooling you for the umpteenth time as she swiftly snatches the ball and you end up somersaulting in the air.

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I've posted up that video a few times. I don't think they get it. I think they take it as me being hot on Lucy. But it's the perfect analogy.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Depends what we do in the summer.
We all agreed we needed to clear out dead wood. But it needs to be replaced with quality. If we don’t do that then yeah, we’re screwed.

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I reckon we'll trigger Mbappe's buyout clause.

I fucking can't wait. It's going to be so great!

And yet here we all are

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I thought the 80's and Neill and Howe were fucking great. Yeah, the football was a bit of a drag but at least it was real men going at it, instead of pampered poofters. But the whole day out was what life was all about. Started on Friday night and didn't end until a sorry Sunday afternoon, waking up with ten times as many brain cells as Mac possesses in total having been wiped out.

And it cost about fifteen quid, maybe twenty if you were determined to do your liver. That included match entry.

Trains seemed to run on time too.

Was still great to see the like of Liam Brady strolling around like he owned the place, which he usually did.

Good times. Sad to see them used by fans making apologies for the cynical bullshit that masquerades as football today.

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No, no. You misunderstood. The football wasn't great, however, those wonderful"proper" football days are gone forever. I agree with you.
We didn't have much money but you could always afford a few quid for football and a cheeky bag of chips! Not like today, you need to be loaded to pay the prices the shitty crooks have created. It is a Billionaire's playground who don't give a fuck about the fans. The Hill-Wood family would be turning in their graves.

The Hill-Wood family sold us out pal!

Thank you for your interest in our affairs.

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The Hill-Wood family sold us out pal!

Thank you for your interest in our affairs.

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True sadly, but it was the son, not the father. All the board members post Dein need to get locked in a cage with a Bengal Tiger. they took the money when the American showed up. Worst part is Wiggy never sells. We are fked for a long time, at least until the old man dies. Maybe Jnr will be a bit more flexible. First order is still to dump the joker Arteta but the losers gave him a new 3 year contract. Probably afraid Barca would come poach their ink-tressed, golden manager.

Usmanov is lucky he sold when he did. I hope he didnt plunk the cash in a UK bank...if so, Ooops!

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The Hill-Wood family sold us out pal!

Thank you for your interest in our affairs.

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I thought it was due to ill health.

Regardless, we were by far the best, traditional, family owned club. Their interest was THE Arsenal.
Now we have a bunch of yanks who know nothing about our club and tradition. So sad.

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I thought it was due to ill health.

Regardless, we were by far the best, traditional, family owned club. Their interest was THE Arsenal.
Now we have a bunch of yanks who know nothing about our club and tradition. So sad.

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By the time Hill-Wood jnr sold out he was a minority shareholder and only a nominal chairman. He had no say except was he was told to say

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I thought it was due to ill health.

Regardless, we were by far the best, traditional, family owned club. Their interest was THE Arsenal.
Now we have a bunch of yanks who know nothing about our club and tradition. So sad.

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Should be gone tonight as the longer we leave, the more damage he does

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I guess as the new season begins, this post may get a few more visits :lol:

I believe the title should read "When will Arteta AND EDU be sacked by"?

These things go hand in hand.

Tuchel in

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I guess as the new season begins, this post may get a few more visits :lol:

I believe the title should read "When will Arteta AND EDU be sacked by"?

These things go hand in hand.

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No it should be "By when should Arteta and Edu be sacked?"

Yours,

Grammar Police

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Originally Posted by GP

Tuchel in

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https://www.arsenal.com/news/arteta-...r-month-august

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https://www.arsenal.com/news/arteta-...r-month-august

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it's confirmed then - we will lose all remaining games in September

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it's confirmed then - we will lose all remaining games in September

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All the significant ones for sure

He's doing a great job TBF. We are playing some really great stuff and dominating pretty much every game, we play away like the home team. Still a few areas of the squad to improve but we have the makings of a great team IMO.

good to see him give those players some minutes at the end, though i do wish he'd take Jesus off before the end in situations like that, he's so important to us

When Arteta joined the club, Xhaka told him he wanted to leave and he persuaded him to stay

Of course Xhaka could be lying, he talks about Arteta’s warmth

Warmth? He’s about as warm as Myra Hindley

You've met him?

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You've met him?

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Oh I see, the inability to maintain eye contact, the lack of any individual personal relationship with his players, the awkward body language….that’s all for show and really deep down he’s extroverted and gregarious?

All of that is in your head.

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All of that is in your head.

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No it’s not in my head, it’s what is abundantly clear to see

I’m not making any diagnosis, I’m literally describing what is there

I’m sorry you don’t like that. Personally I wouldn’t care about his personality type if I thought he was doing a particularly good job. It’s hard then not to see that someone who is demonstrably uncomfortable with dealing with people in one on one interactions, who has passive aggressive tendencies, who has a closed and defensive body posture isn’t then having a negative effect on those around him.

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No it’s not in my head, it’s what is abundantly clear to see

I’m not making any diagnosis, I’m literally describing what is there

I’m sorry you don’t like that. Personally I wouldn’t care about his personality type if I thought he was doing a particularly good job. It’s hard then not to see that someone who is demonstrably uncomfortable with dealing with people in one on one interactions, who has passive aggressive tendencies, who has a closed and defensive body posture isn’t then having a negative effect on those around him.

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Sorry - but if you donlt think Arteta is doing a particularly good job, you are watching a different team to the rest of us.

As for lacking interpersonal skills - this is a stretch when you consider how succesful Arteta was under the best coach in the world, and his ability to attract the likes of Jesus and Zinchenko to join us.

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No it’s not in my head, it’s what is abundantly clear to see

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You're pretty much the only one seeing it :shrug:
And you are drawing conclusions from a highly edited TV show.
It does give a peep behind the curtain but doesn't allow for the deep psychoanalysis which you are drawing from it.

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Sorry - but if you donlt think Arteta is doing a particularly good job, you are watching a different team to the rest of us.

As for lacking interpersonal skills - this is a stretch when you consider how succesful Arteta was under the best coach in the world, and his ability to attract the likes of Jesus and Zinchenko to join us.

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No the difference is your drawing your opinion from 7 games (6 realistically) I’m drawing off almost 140

Also why mention Zinchenko along with Jesus, I don’t know why he and quality belong in the same sentence. He doesn’t know what a left back does, he doesn’t get forward the only thing he does is maybe free up space for Martinelli

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You're pretty much the only one seeing it :shrug:
And you are drawing conclusions from a highly edited TV show.
It does give a peep behind the curtain but doesn't allow for the deep psychoanalysis which you are drawing from it.

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Deep psychoanalysis ??

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No it’s just called keeping your eyes only and noticing the bloody obvious, I don’t know where you work but if someone constantly couldn’t maintain eye contact….wasn’t good or was very hesitant about interacting with colleagues one on one and blamed other people for their own mistakes…would you conclude that person was a people person?

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Deep psychoanalysis ??

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Yes:

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personality type

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demonstrably uncomfortable with dealing with people in one on one interactions

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has passive aggressive tendencies

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has a closed and defensive body posture

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The inability to maintain eye contact

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the lack of any individual personal relationship with his players

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the awkward body language

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As a wise man once said, all of that is in your head. :good: