Unfortunatley we probably would. The club surely won't get away with charging CL prices for a lesser product. Wouldn't surprise me if the games were discounted and Wenget rotated, a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
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Unfortunatley we probably would. The club surely won't get away with charging CL prices for a lesser product. Wouldn't surprise me if the games were discounted and Wenget rotated, a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Ah yeah I have no doubts that we would. And then lose the next league game anyway.
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Well the long breaks clearly helped the unbeaten side few years back. The whole point is to give few key players proper rest to recover, the rest will play the in all competition. The first half of Europa league is piss poor, it is not worth starting your key players against some pub team from Moldova. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
It doesn't work like that though, in theory it does but in practice we just end up losing our focus. Our winning run in 03/04 (nine in a row) came at a time when we were involved in all competitions; towards the very end of the season we were stuttering but the league had already been sewn up by then. We only won four out of the last nine games.
Spuds played their pub teamers for most of the competition and ended up bombing out in the group stage. How did the subsequent lack of game time benefit them from February onwards? It didn't.
Forget holding him to the last year of his contract. He can get us for breach anyway. He signed to play football, not to join Billy Smart's Circus.
Don't think we need to play our key players ealry on that does not mean We should take the Europa league lightly if we play in it thats silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
As for RVP Well id not blame him if he left if we did nt get CL id not blame if if he left even if we did.
Wininng begets winning.
Yes it does and we should go all out to win it but i don't see the need to play the top players against shite from eastern Europe etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Mind you the kids would show more heart the these lot anyways.
They can't be totally 'shite'. Or to put it another way, if you can't beat Norwich and Wigan at home when you have to, you can't play a weakened side against Slavia Bratislova and expect to win easy.
I never said anything about winning easy. But in the earlier rounds their are some poor teams in it are their not.
Not saying we should play the kids but i don't think we need to play a full team as long as we got the balance right.
If were still in it after xmas then it would be silly not to play a full team in it.
Do we really think as early as September playing in the Europa League would impinge on the league to any great extent? It's counter-intuitive anyway because let's suppose we are in those competitions later on in the season, the lack of knowledge and practice on how to cope with multiple fixtures in a week will come to the fore.
There are poor teams but it's not a competition completely filled with dross and we'd theoretically level the playing field anyway. For example there's a good chance we could end up running in to a side like Malaga or Levante.
I just don't how we've worked ourselves in to the position to treat so many trophies with disdain, especially when we might lose out on the one 'trophy' we supposedly aim for each season.
I don't know, Charlie. I haven't been following the UEFA Cup in the last few years - did the year Zenit won it and that was great.
Waiting for the result from tomorrow's game before I start thinking about us playing in the UEFA Cup next year. And if I do think about it, I probably won't be thinking for long. It is what it is. From the fans' point of view, can't beat a good cup run for entertainment - even if it isn't a good signal of quality.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
We really have to hope Bayern win the CL now tbh.
Assuming we miss out on CL which is looking increasingly likely, Ironically I dont think we're good enough to win the Uefa Cup either, look at United & Citeh this season.
Thank you RVP
Tried your best but with an inept manager and an awful team around you, there was no hope.
Dont blame you for going
Of course were good enough its how much we want it and are up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
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Originally Posted by Ach
Don't forget the money hungry board or are they excempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Board is always money hungry. Problem is the money hungry manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I stayed for the lap of appreciation. I believed at the time that I had seen the last of Van Persie as and Arsenal player at the Emirates.
As much as I want him to stay I can't help but feel today, that if he doesn't sign a new contract, then fuck him tbh.
Regardless of this seasons excellent form, he fucking owes this club big time. We stuck with him throughout those 4 or 5 years where he only managed to play 10 games a season. Any other club would have sold him on.
For me, it's about time he replayed some of that faith and stuck by the club tbh.
We are nearly there, close to winning things again. Just need those all important additions and for rvp to sign on and we'll be a force next season.
Yep, pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
If he leaves now, after essentially giving us one season, then fuck him.
Fuck him in the butt.
Tbh I don't think we're anywhere near winning any trophies. We've kept saying for the last 5-6 years that, oh if we only add a few more top quality players we'll be capable of winning something finally, and it hasn't materialised. When we could have signed players top calibre players we instead got Bischoff, Chamakh, Gervinho, Squillaci, Silvestre, Park. Past evidence doesn't seem to suggest Wenger's capable of making the necessary changes to the squad that will really see us push on. He's reluctant to admit his youth project has failed, which is why he persevered with Denilson, Diaby and now players like Ramsey. Because of this, the squad is too big and there isn't enough room to bring in top players (not that I'd trust Wenger's judgement on this anyway).
He's not essentially given us only one season, the guy's got 132 goals over his whole Arsenal career. He's our 8th top goalscorer in our history and only needs about 7 more to climb to 5th. At the start of the season people were comparing him to Messi which was OTT because he's nowhere near that level, but now some people seem to be annoyed that he may leave, when it's completely understandable why, for the sake of his career, he'll want to leave the sinking ship. There's very little ambition beyond financial prudence for the board and manager, and for a top player nearing his 30th birthday, this must be frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Podolski.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
I don't give a fuck about any of that, and neither should you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
I support Arsenal. If he's going to leave now after the club have been so patient with him, then he can go fuck himself.
its not about how many goals he's scored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
He hardly played for the first 5 years he was here, most other top clubs would have binned him off after 2 or 3.
I'm tired of hearing the argument that we shouldn't blame 'x player' for wanting to leave to win trophies, money, etc. they wouldnt be wanted by other top clubs if their careers weren't started and developed with us first with all the faith shown and put in them.
Why not direct all that frustration towards board and manager? A players career is short and if Robin has a chance to win trophies elsewhere then I have no problem with it and wish him well. He's been injured a lot but he doesn't owe us anything. Our medical staff are so incompetent and have such a poor record that I can't help but think they've screwed Robin over a few times with poor advice.
We keep having these sort of conversations about playere year after year and it's as if fans can't recognise the problem. When playere like Vieira, Pires, Henry and Sol left, it was the same sort of reaction from the fans. Outrage as if they were wrong to want to leave. But they could see the signs and knew the manager and staff better than anyone else. Wenger's youth project was going to be unsuccessful and they could see it early because the man has no tactics, relies on others to coach discipline and needs strong characters in the dressing room. We get angry when they want to leave but the bitterness usually passes. It's a same trend and there is no point in blaming the players anymore. It's the management.
Pretty much and thats the wya it should always be, once a player leaves the club fuck him. Yes RVP has had some good times and scored some good goals but if he goals the fans will still be chanting for the team amd its players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
I have to say the idea of Joker trying to take the mora; High ground and saying we should be nice to RVP is laughable since he has been the one mugging him off all season.
Another way to look at it is, you only have one career, you're in your late 20's and time is running out...do you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
a) Stick with a club with a clueless manager who prides himself in getting 4th place, which has no hope of picking up any trophies in the near future (meaning you'll have almost nothing to show for your career).
b) Move on, have a chance of winning trophies, play with better players and earn more money
Hard one that.
2 things here, his injuries were not his fault and it was Wenger's choice to stick with him..nobody made him do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
The only reason we're even talking about potentially qualifying for the CL is RVP. I have never seen a single player with this much importance and influence over a season. This is better than Henry 03/04 relative to the strength of side he played in.
I can't begrudge him if he wanted to leave, without him we'd be an incredibly poor side.
jeebus never said he should not move on did he or said he blame him if he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
No one said they would either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yeah I know, but thanks for that.
Thats the most stpuid thing to say ever and you know it but i suppose you have to have a dig at Wenger any time you can eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
no one would have bought RVP when he was that injured, and its not that he was still a bad player as proved had Wenger got rid you'd be the 1st moaning as usual.
Wrong:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
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Originally Posted by Jeebus
a) You don't have to give him a new contractQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
b) It's not sticking by him then is it, if the point you're making is valid we had no choice
c) Wenger is a plank and he deserves it
No he said if he does not sign a new contract them fuck him, that does not mean he'd want the player to move to a diffrent club.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Oh the irony of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe