Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Hasn't turned fully yet I see

It's a start I guess.

Do not forget, it was Wenger who chose Gazidis for this job. It is Wenger who makes the decisions on who to buy, sell, tactics etc. 3 things we suck at. Selling in that we get shit money for star players.

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and do not forget, it was wenger who won two doubles, an unbeaten season, 4 fa cups.

ive made my points about how i think he can stay. he won trophies with someone putting pressure on him.( Dein) go back to that and he will win again, he isnt a CEO he is a football manger. its time he stopped acting like a CEO and we had a CEO who did the fucking job. if wenger doenst like losing control, and he walks. then everyones happy. id rather get rid of the board right now, they clearly dont give a fuck about us but i still believe wenger cares

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

thats a leaked quote in one of tomorrows papers.


they wouldnt even try and pull that one would they? cunts

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Big transfers from the minute the window opened, millions flying around everywhere. I guess they expected the market to suddenly transform into a sensible place where the fees tumbled, the players demanded less and the agents accepted it was a fair cop. Amazing it hasn't happened, who could have known? Again, the board is very unlucky.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

and do not forget, it was wenger who won two doubles, an unbeaten season, 4 fa cups.

ive made my points about how i think he can stay. he won trophies with someone putting pressure on him.( Dein) go back to that and he will win again, he isnt a CEO he is a football manger. its time he stopped acting like a CEO and we had a CEO who did the fucking job. if wenger doenst like losing control, and he walks. then everyones happy. id rather get rid of the board right now, they clearly dont give a fuck about us but i still believe wenger cares

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Ollie, he's done fuck all for the last 8 years. Won nothing, refuses to properly strengthen, doesn't change tactics, etc

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Ollie, he's done fuck all for the last 8 years. Won nothing, refuses to properly strengthen, doesn't change tactics, etc

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i made my points about why he should be given one more season and the board go instead. im not going to change. hes kept in the top four, its not great in terms of trophies but with no money, its impressive. he does do tactics, thats a stupid suggestion. as i said he won before when someone else did transfers, when somoene put pressure on him. he needs taht again. if that happens ill give him a chance. i still feel he cares, the board dont. get rid of them first. ill never want wenger out, i love the man too much.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Ollie, he's done fuck all for the last 8 years. Won nothing, refuses to properly strengthen, doesn't change tactics, etc

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He's steered about £200mill in CL revenues into the bank vault and that's all the board cares about.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

and do not forget, it was wenger who won two doubles, an unbeaten season, 4 fa cups.

ive made my points about how i think he can stay. he won trophies with someone putting pressure on him.( Dein) go back to that and he will win again, he isnt a CEO he is a football manger. its time he stopped acting like a CEO and we had a CEO who did the fucking job. if wenger doenst like losing control, and he walks. then everyones happy. id rather get rid of the board right now, they clearly dont give a fuck about us but i still believe wenger cares

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A long time ago which can no longer be used to keep him in a job. Too much has changed/happened.

Wenger has been complicit in everything and is as much to blame as the board. If anything more so cos the one thing I do care about this club for is on the pitch stuff which is Wengers job. All the financial shit I don't have much interest in. Biggest criticism I've had of the board is not letting Wenger go.

He used to be a winner, someone who would try to win by any means necessary. He's not that anymore. The greed has taken over. That winning mentality has gone. If it hadn't then he wouldn't stand for the so called aim of the board to finish top 4 every season and win no trophies. No manager with any dignity would.

Getting rid of the board and bringing in Usmanov would be awesome. That won't happen. Getting rid of Wenger might be the only way. His contract is up in a year. Let him go. This coming season is already a write off and safely stacks in to the different season, same old shit pile.

Next summer though could well be the greatest of all time. We might get our Arsenal back. It is our one hope, our only hope that all fans are clinging on to.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i made my points about why he should be given one more season and the board go instead. im not going to change. hes kept in the top four, its not great in terms of trophies but with no money, its impressive. he does do tactics, thats a stupid suggestion. as i said he won before when someone else did transfers, when somoene put pressure on him. he needs taht again. if that happens ill give him a chance. i still feel he cares, the board dont. get rid of them first. ill never want wenger out, i love the man too much.

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I know how you feel about wenger, but surely Ollie, you must be able to see that wenger is the problem???

You even admit it yourself, that he doesn't like losing control, etc.
You can't really blame gazidis, wenger helped pick him for the job, he has too much power.

No one can come in and tell wenger what to do, his journey into megolomania is virtually complete.

there isnt any point debating this. i cant be arsed, its been done to many times. we wont agree and im not changing my stance. i will never want wenger to be forced out. i wont change from that. i love that man, hes a hero of mine. no one will ever change that

Bit gay

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

I know how you feel about wenger, but surely Ollie, you must be able I see that wenger is the problem???

You even admit it yourself, that he doesn't like losing control, etc.
You can't really blame gazidis, wenger helped pick him for the job, he has too much power.

No one can come in and tell wenger what to do, his journey into megolomania is virtually complete.

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as i said, if someone comes in and tells wenger what to do, and he doesnt like it, he'll walk. everyone wins then. the board have a CEO prepared to put pressure on somone, the manager goes so the board and manager work in harmony together with the right people in the right roles, not one man doing everything (if these accusations are true) but for me, the lack of transfers isnt wengwrs fault 100%. hes always dithered, its the boards fault for promising the signings and failing to deliver.

Can't even be bothered to get into the debate.

Ollie has super super #patience

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

there isnt any point debating this. i cant be arsed, its been done to many times. we wont agree and im not changing my stance. i will never want wenger to be forced out. i wont change from that. i love that man, hes a hero of mine. no one will ever change that

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Well then the only question is what matters more to you, Arsenal or Wenger?

Can't be both cos it's contradictory. Pick Arsenal and that means you can't be happy with the shit going on which Wenger is a massive part in

Pick Wenger and you're happy with the current situation of never buying players of sufficient quality, tickets costing a bomb, shit tactics, no challenge for trophies etc.

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Well then the only question is what matters more to you, Arsenal or Wenger?

Can't be both cos it's contradictory. Pick Arsenal and that means you can't be happy with the shit going on which Wenger is a massive part in

Pick Wenger and you're happy with the current situation of never buying l,ayers of sufficient quality, tickets costing a bomb, shut tactics, no challenge for trophies etc.

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that question only works if wenger is at fault for everything. he isnt. in my mind wenger is being thrown under a bus like he has been before by the board.

i want whats best for Arsenal, and in my mind, the man to give us the best is wenger. under new guidance, with a better CEO who knows his football not his buisness. who challenges wenger to win things.

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Arsenal are considering moves for Swansea attacking midfielder Michu, 27, and Manchester City striker Edin Dzeko, 27, as their hopes of signing Liverpool forward Luis Suarez, 26, fade.
Full story: Daily Mirror

Napoli are preparing a late bid for Bayern Munich midfielder Luiz Gustavo. The 26-year-old is set to announce his future plans on Wednesday, with Arsenal one of the clubs interested in his signature.
Full story: Daily Mail

Serie A side Juventus could sell right-back Stephan Lichtsteiner, 29, to Arsenal as they look to raise funds for Ajax midfielder Christian Eriksen, 21, who has been a target for Liverpool and Tottenham.
Full story; Daily Express

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Get all 3 in

Looks like Napoli have their man

Lichtsteiner is very good. Bring him home

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Originally Posted by Cripps

Get all 3 in

Looks like Napoli have their man

Lichtsteiner is very good. Bring him home

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would rather have christian eriksen to be honest

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

that question only works if wenger is at fault for everything. he isnt. in my mind wenger is being thrown under a bus like he has been before by the board.

i want whats best for Arsenal, and in my mind, the man to give us the best is wenger. under new guidance, with a better CEO who knows his football not his buisness. who challenges wenger to win things.

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Wenger is most certainly at fault for this disaster of a window. He is sitting on a 100million transfer kitty and all he has to show for it is a crocked french kid.

It's not even funny anymore, I honestly cannot believe how much we have screwed up this window.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

that question only works if wenger is at fault for everything. he isnt. in my mind wenger is being thrown under a bus like he has been before by the board.




i want whats best for Arsenal, and in my mind, the man to give us the best is wenger. under new guidance, with a better CEO who knows his football not his buisness. who challenges wenger to win things.

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Frankly this is a man who went long past his best years ago, his ability to attract the young talent he used to procure for the club has been stymied by the fact that this is now a trick that clubs are wise to and the selling clubs slap a price tag on these young players that wenger isn't prepared to pay.....therefore his cheap option are often players who aren't anywhere near good enough for the club and are clogging our wage bill.
Rightly or wrongly football has changed....and Wenger has failed to adapt....the players we have at the club are largely unable to play the pass and move style of football that Wenger enjoys and we have tended only to be successful with our current team when employing a deep lying counter attacking style (which doesn't work against most of the top sides who can defend against us well because we lack pace). Our ten match unbeaten run was largely build on defensive solidity and i don't believe for a second Wenger is behind this otherwise why weren't we that solid in defence for the whole season....more than likely this is Steve Bould's influence where he is probably the only person left at the club prepared to put his foot down and stand up to Wenger when it came to defensive set up.
Frankly i'd rather take the risk with someone new than let this current stagnation continue year in, year out qualifying for the Champions League by the skin of our teeth and somehow being pathetically grateful for it and thinking this will be the summer where the paucity of quality in our squad will be addressed.
I don't think any other manager managing a club at our level would have persisted with players like Ramsey and Arteta week in week out despite the fact that they are constantly found out by teams with more pace and bite in midfield, and if the lack of spending is purely the board's fault (which i see no evidence that it is) than surely he would petition them for more funds or looked to have moved on by now but it isn't just loyalty he is content to stick to his comfort zone and take minimal risk.
For me this is a man who long ago lost his edge, and whilst yes he is still pulling off something of an achievement by getting us into the top four (especially the last two seasons) he lacks the nous or seemingly the ambition to have us competing for trophies. *
I don't dislike Arsene Wenger and i never will but his infuriating stubborness has turned into an entrenchment and with a lack of a more forceful board or competent chief executive in place the only way to bring about any meaningful change in our fortunes is for Wenger to go.

That said i am hoping he won't need to be pushed, i am hoping that he will delay signing a new contract until the end of the season and yet again if he fails to deliver anything he will simply walk away....i think if we end the transfer window without making significant investment and he signs a new contract i will have lost all respect for him.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

would rather have christian eriksen to be honest

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Very good player. Better than anyone we have in our midfield by some distance.

Can't see him wanting to take a step down to join us

i know we are not exactly big fish at the moment, but i don't think even we are a step down with the Eredivise

He'd join us but spending money on a decent attacking player would make no sense to "too cool for school" Wenger

Hopefully Bergkamp and Overmars can have a word and tell him of how awesome we used to be back when they played for us instead of how we are now

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Originally Posted by selassie

Wenger is most certainly at fault for this disaster of a window. He is sitting on a 100million transfer kitty and all he has to show for it is a crocked french kid.

It's not even funny anymore, I honestly cannot believe how much we have screwed up this window.

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Nobody screwed up anything. We were expert in our under-bidding and not a single penny escaped the coffers.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

would rather have christian eriksen to be honest

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He's still in contract so there's no way to get him on a free, which makes it impossible to get him. Also the market has not moved as expected making things twice as impossible. I don't see the harm in putting in a laughably low bid though, because we want to keep the fans happy of course.

So have we reached the point where absolutely anyone will do? Or do we prefer nothing over a mad trolley dash?

Wenger is preparing to get Dale Winton in for the annual supermarket sweep.

I'll cheer on the starting 11 on Saturday regardless. They're not to blame here.

I feel sorry for the team (leaving all thoughts of wages aside).

They don't even have any back up now, let alone the quality we need, and have been told we'll get.

The management are a disgrace for putting us in this position 3 days before kick off. And while the money men should be doing more to make sure we're competing in the market, Wenger is powerful enough to do business if he stopped being so fucking whimpy an stubborn.

Now I just saw this, the biggest wumming Wenger could do is to sign Higuain ... His older brother who plays in the MLS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgvH8qJYQ8E

Good goal however , 25 yard chip

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

He's still in contract so there's no way to get him on a free, which makes it impossible to get him. Also the market has not moved as expected making things twice as impossible. I don't see the harm in putting in a laughably low bid though, because we want to keep the fans happy of course.

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Yeah, that's definitely what they're doing and it's working really well.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

mirror saying if we fail to get suarez, plan B (yeah i stopped reading there, we dont have a plan a let alone plan b) is for michu or dzecko.


this summer :haha:

cunts

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I would take either but they are not the same kind of player that Suarez is......and the prospect of him would have been awlsome......anyhow how long do the Mirror think it will take to land one of those two......will takean out of proportion bid to extract one of them in enough time

We've been shafted lads, again. As LDG said, I do feel a bit sorry for the players. Even they were screaming out for new signings.

With IG running his mouth at the beginning of the summer the club have nowhere to hide.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i made my points about why he should be given one more season

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Yeah, you've made that point for at least four years now.

fucking hell lets cut the bollocks out and start paying some release clauses and get some fucking players in.

jackson martinez - 34m. just do it
Geoffrey Kondogbia 8m - just do it
fellaini - 23m - just fucking do it

thats 65m odd, less than our supposed war chest!

we need to stop dithering and just pay the fucking fee for gods sake!

we can still bid for players like damiao, hulk, gustavo, cesar etc but got those 3 fuckers in now, stop fucking around and just pay the fee!!!

we gna end up with darren bent arent we!

The Fellaini release clause expired so I don't think we were ever interested in him.

The only positive I can take is that it's made IG look like a complete tool. The backlash from fans will be huge if (when) we have another poor season, and I don't think Wenger can be offered a new contract.

this summer has made gazidis posistion untenable. he can't stay on after those lies to us, again.


though i cant wait for his next Q&A session, suspect it might be a while though :lol:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRnF4xQCEAAThPM.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gooner23

We've been shafted lads, again. As LDG said, I do feel a bit sorry for the players. Even they were screaming out for new signings.

With IG running his mouth at the beginning of the summer the club have nowhere to hide.

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It's pure incompetence. There are no excuses for what's happened so far this summer, even clubs worse off than us have a strategy in place and make the most of the resources they have. Why is it that every other club seems to get their business done yet for us signing players appears to be the hardest task in the world? The saddest part is that no one will be held accountable.

Deadline day move for Benteke awaits. Might throw one in for Fellaini too if Man Utd don't bid.

We needed a lot better.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

this summer has made gazidis posistion untenable. he can't stay on after those lies to us, again.


though i cant wait for his next Q&A session, suspect it might be a while though :lol:

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I actually don't think he's lied this time round.

He may have been incompetent, by failing to get Wenger to deliver, or fucking up negotiations (assuming we had any negotiations to make).

But Wenger is most at fault here. Not necessarily because he's an idiot or bad person, moreso that he has whimped out of spending money. He wants to work in football, yet he is too stubborn, too idealistic and too slow to work in todays market. A market where you get left behind very quickly, and a climate where you can't make a side on the cheap anymore.

But what really pins this on him, is the excuses he is making....no longer on behalf of the club, but on behalf of himself....and that is not something we should entertain. There is one thing defending his employer, but to make excuses to cover his own personal hesitant tendancies and moralistic crusade, shows a lack of class, IMO.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why we are left with a threadbare squad. The groundwork was done, and we battled to get to this position. Now we're going to be back where we started.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

this summer has made gazidis posistion untenable. he can't stay on after those lies to us, again.


though i cant wait for his next Q&A session, suspect it might be a while though :lol:

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Although unrealistic, I would argue that it is Wenger's position that has become untenable. He won't be fired of course, but I lay the blame solely on him. He calls the shots, and wouldn't accept a CEO telling him what to do. Which is why IG is there, a yes man.

I think IG's public quotes were designed to leverage pressure on Wenger to spend, but the stubborn git just won't compromise his (outdated) ideology.

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

I would take either but they are not the same kind of player that Suarez is......and the prospect of him would have been awlsome......anyhow how long do the Mirror think it will take to land one of those two......will takean out of proportion bid to extract one of them in enough time

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Honestly...I don't particularly rate Michu that much higher if at all than Giroud. He'll score goals in PL...but will be found wanting at the highest level.

Spurs signed a Striker who starts for Spain..yet we get linked with one who can't even make their squad at a time when they have their weakest set of forwards in years.

Dzeko I wouldn't mind at all, I like him and think he's an upgrade on Giroud...but he lacks pace.

We've backed ourselves in a corner now, not only have we not strengthened but we've reduced the numbers in the squad that we have no choice but to buy now and we know Uncle Arsene loves a bargain.

Effectively we'll be replacing deadwood with deadwood.

Oh what a mess...