Giroud Discourse

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

Many of them came through playing with the likes of Adams, Keown etc so learnt a lot from them...that makes a big difference, Bergkamp was a massive player as well.

Sorry but Wenger as good as people thought after all, I reckon people got it wrong. If he was that good he'd have done something of note since 2005, the fact he hasn't says plenty about him.

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ok, you go and believe that wenger is a shit manager. and its only because of playing with adams and keown that we went unbeaten.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

talent wise diaby is right up there. the point is nonsense. he causes more probelms then he is worth. he might have scored 20 goals last year, however, he hasnt this year. you never know with him. and the reason he hasnt played much is his own fault. the poor attiude, the off field dramas etc.

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Yeah but he's always injured so pointless.

He's unpredictable, but there's a reason Mancini still keeps him, he knows how good he is.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

Yeah but he's always injured so pointless.

He's unpredictable, but there's a reason Mancini still keeps him, he knows how good he is.

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wenger knows how good diaby is so thats why he keeps him..

balotelli is a good player on his day, but no one knows when that day will be. thats why he isnt worth the risk. giroud for instance might average 10 goals a season, balotelli might get 20 in one, then 2 in the other. he isnt worht it.

mancini might be keeping him, but htere is a differnce between keeping him and not playing him

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

out of the unbeatables squad. there are about three players (off the top of my head) that we can say werent wengers. bergkamp, keown, parlour. (and cole at a push but wenger gave him his debut)

to give fuck all credit to wenger for building that squad, doing something that not even the great barcelona side of today have done, is pathetic, immature and bitter

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But you have to wonder what's happened over the years. Adams, Dixon and co often said they taught the new foreign players the Arsenal way and how to toughen up. As the years have passed it's like we've lost our sense of tradition and battling mentality. Forget what other teams are doing for moment, we look lazy, uninterested and unorganized most of the time. How comes Wenger has been unable to restore some sort of pride in the players?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I think you're off with that one. Arshavin is an example of someone with talent but poor application but there is no way I could say a player like Gervinho is a level above him just because he works harder when playing.

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I don't think you can really call Arshavin lazy, he still tries in whatever little appearances he has for us but seems to have lost his spark, like Torres. To be honest Gervinho is the only person I won't get irritated at people on here abusing because he is absolutely terrible.

I'd say they're flip sides of the same coin, but both not really good enough for where we want to be. But my main point of how someone that works hard but isn't that good (think half of ManU's players over the years) should be preferred to someone that has talent but isn't willing to graft for it is a valid one, I think.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

But you have to wonder what's happened over the years. Adams, Dixon and co often said they taught the new foreign players the Arsenal way and how to toughen up. As the years have passed it's like we've lost our sense of tradition and battling mentality. Forget what other teams are doing for moment, we look lazy, uninterested and unorganized most of the time. How comes Wenger has been unable to restore some sort of pride in the players?

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ok now, there are problems and questions have to be asked. however questioning his previous acheviements are stupid.

did adams and dixon convert henry from a left wing who failed in italy into the greatest striker the premiership has ever seen? no, wenger did. taking any credit away from wenger for unebatables, the doubles, the cups is just sad, pathetic and bitter

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

No one here really wants Balotelli at this club, surely?

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Fuck no.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

He's shown his ability on the pitch before, he's pretty young though and will mature in time.

As for the price, well yes but that's because we sold RVP dirt cheap, if we'd been a bit clevered we'd have kept him under contract and got 35-40 million for him.

He's way better than Giroud, he's scored plenty of goals for City, Giroud has scored a few but missed a shedload and is a pretty ordinary players.

I'd take Balotelli over him anyday in the hope in time he can be tamed and let his football do the talking.

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He is still a project player, which if the club is to reach the heights all of us do we don't really have time for. He's also expensive, given that clubs which have to live under normal circumstances are generally only able to afford one of which each year means he's a terrible example even when placed against Giroud (who is nowhere near the world's top strikers and never will be, to be fair - that said neither are Dzeko, Welbeck, Hernandez, and so on).

Easiest way is to ask whether you would have taken Balotelli this summer instead of Podolski and Giroud - a question I think most would have the same answer to, and it doesn't favour the Italian.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

ok now, there are problems and questions have to be asked. however questioning his previous acheviements are stupid.

did adams and dixon convert henry from a left wing who failed in italy into the greatest striker the premiership has ever seen? no, wenger did. taking any credit away from wenger for unebatables, the doubles, the cups is just sad, pathetic and bitter

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I think you have to take some of the emotion out of the debate and think about why we're not getting the same level of performances out of our player now. Parlour, Winterburn, Dixon...they weren't as technically gifted as some of the players we have now or seen in the past but they'd behave in the same way we've seen some of our most recent players have behaved on the pitch. It's unacceptable but we see it week in week out. Why hasn't Wenger put a stop to it he instilled the winning menality in the old squad? Unless that attitude is something they always had and he never had to drill it into them. That's probably the difference and what I'm driving at.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

Fuck no.

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He'd be a nightmare and if Mancini can't control him, Wenger has no chance. But he's still a talented player. Just needs to sort his head out or he'll ruin his career.