Wenger Out ?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

As for the FA Cup - it's utterly worthless. Not even a shadow of the competition it used to be. It'd be a 5 minute wonder if we won it,

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Not for me.

This club has won nothing for the best part of a decade. The team hasn't experienced anything together apart from stumbling into 4th every year and falling on their arses whenever there is a sniff of success. It would mean a heck of a lot to everyone associated with the club if we won it and finally lifted that burden.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Not for me.

This club has won nothing for the best part of a decade. The team hasn't experienced anything together apart from stumbling into 4th every year and falling on their arses whenever there is a sniff of success. It would mean a heck of a lot to everyone associated with the club if we won it and finally lifted that burden.

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Frankly speaking, I'd even take the carling cup now :(

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Not for me.

This club has won nothing for the best part of a decade. The team hasn't experienced anything together apart from stumbling into 4th every year and falling on their arses whenever there is a sniff of success. It would mean a heck of a lot to everyone associated with the club if we won it and finally lifted that burden.

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That's how I feel now that the league is out of reach. I think a lot of fans may feel that way as seen with some of the comments on here. I think it would tick a lot of people off he'd save certain players for the CL game and rested them for the FA Cup but we go out of both competitions. It would be a bitterly disappointing end to the season.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Not for me.

This club has won nothing for the best part of a decade. The team hasn't experienced anything together apart from stumbling into 4th every year and falling on their arses whenever there is a sniff of success. It would mean a heck of a lot to everyone associated with the club if we won it and finally lifted that burden.

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That :good:

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Not for me.

This club has won nothing for the best part of a decade. The team hasn't experienced anything together apart from stumbling into 4th every year and falling on their arses whenever there is a sniff of success. It would mean a heck of a lot to everyone associated with the club if we won it and finally lifted that burden.

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Originally Posted by Letters

That :good:

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And this :good:

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Not for me.

This club has won nothing for the best part of a decade. The team hasn't experienced anything together apart from stumbling into 4th every year and falling on their arses whenever there is a sniff of success. It would mean a heck of a lot to everyone associated with the club if we won it and finally lifted that burden.

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This

The FA Cup of old, competed for by English, Scots, Irish and Welsh, had a genuine prestige. This modern version, competed for by Spaniards, French and Nigerians, not so much. Doubt half the players would be bothered about it beyond the day itself. Honestly, if grabbing a second rate trophy is enough for some to say keep Wenger in his job, but keeping us on the European stage in a genuinely prestigious tournament is considered failure then there's a weird logic going on. Getting to the final of the CL would be a much bigger achievement than winning the FA Cup. I think winning the latter wouldn't signify much at all. A bit of luck and we could win it this year. What does emulating Wigan tell us though? Anything of value? If we want to see real progress then we have to aim for something bigger than that. Of course great if we win it, but for me I'll be asking what else did we do that showed we took a step forward. I think we have taken a big step forward this year anyway. Having a defence after years of being without is proper advancement. Get a few players in this summer and I think we can measure our ambitions to the size of this club. Sure, why not, pick up the FA Cup while we are at it. I won't complain.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon

Seeing Man Utd falter is also good for us because Gazidis will not pick someone incompetent for the job. He'll go for a big name knowing there's too much at stake.

And having a manager that is tactically naive can also be seen as a bonus. When the new manager comes in he can instantly improve us tactically which will hopefully get 10-15% more out of the players and the system. Perhaps we won't play the same bloody formation every stadium we go to.

I wanted Wenger gone at the beginning of the season but I just don't know anymore. We started off so well and if we tweak one or two things, there's no reason why we can't challenge next season with this lunatic in charge. Changing managers could work out well or it could be a disaster. Sometimes you find that when you give up, you do it a time when you were just about to succeed.

This season has been such a head fuck and I seriously don't know whether I want him to stay or go.

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I am pretty sure Gazidis will let Arsene handpick his successor...which is pretty much what United did with Fergie picking Moyes. I am not so sure I would be happy for Arsene to handpick his successor, I have a feeling he would put his "principles" first.

Given what we are seeing this season I don't see what Arsene can give to this team anymore, the same flaws are rearing there head again for me, I'll be honest I have had enough, I am done with it. I personally don't feel he should be given time, time for what? he won't change, the January window was proof in itself that he's stuck in his old ways. IMHO the Ozil signing in the Summer pretty much saved him, there was mutiny in the camp prior to that signing because quite frankly he made an absolute mess of last summer's Window, there was 70million sitting in the bank and he/we couldn't complete any deals.

Of course there looks to have been progress of sorts this season...but given our recent wobbles, we sit 6 points ahead of 5th place with 3 extremely difficult games coming up....progress really?

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Originally Posted by Özim

Even with that in mind, I can see us failing to convert, we've got a proven track record unfortunately, last 16 is our limit nowadays. The CL is a step too far for us, we're not good enough to win it, nor do we play the type of game where we could get "lucky".

I disagree, I think you've bought into the hype here, every team that wins the FA Cup looks elated to have won it, it's still a great competition, it's just you've forgotten as it's a long time since we've been serious contenders.

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On the contrary, I remember very well what the FA Cup used to be. That's why I don't have much time for the modern day parody.

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Originally Posted by selassie

I am pretty sure Gazidis will let Arsene handpick his successor which is pretty much what United did with Fergie letting him pick Moyes. I am not so sure I would be happy for Arsene to handpick his successor because I have a feeling he would put his "principles" first.

Given what we are seeing this season I only don't see what Arsene can give to this team anymore, the same flaws are rearing there head again for me, I'll be honest I have had enough, I am done with it. I personally don't feel he should be given time, time for what? he won't change, the January window was proof in itself that he's stuck in his old ways. IMHO the Ozil signing in the Summer pretty much saved him, there was mutiny in the camp prior to that signing because quite frankly he made an absolute mess of the last summer's Window, he 70million sitting in the bank and couldn't complete any deals.

Of course there looks to have been progress of sorts this season but given our recent wobbles, we sit 6 points ahead of 5th place with 3 extremely difficult games coming up.

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We have Walcott and Ramsey, our two most improved players, out with long term injuries. We don't have the money to have another 2 Walcotts and another 2 Ramseys on the bench. Take 3xToure and 3xAguero out of City long term, Suarez and Gerard out of Liverpool, 3xHazard and ... (just how the hell are those fuckers top anyway?) and problems would be rearing for those clubs too. Fortunately the extent of our current problem is being 4 points off the lead instead of 14 as usual. Could we be four points closer if we'd had our best team on the pitch for any significant duration? It's not unreasonable to suggest yes.

What we're saying is, there have been definite signs of improvement. The defence is better beyond all recognition. The goalkeeper has come on brilliantly. Some of our "project" players are starting to finally come though, Walcott, Ramsey, Ox. We have signed one of the best players in the world (and even though he's tailed off in his first season in a 100mph with no rest kickabout league he's class and it will surface), we have led the way most of the way, we are still in with a shout at the top, took it to Bayern and outplayed them until fate intervened, we have announced massive new deals that open up the door to some serious reinforcements. In conclusion - sack the manager, he has nothing to offer.