When will Arteta be sacked by

Arms folded is a defensive posture that tells people keep away that’s basic body language reading, the lack of fixed eye contact (often looks away from people). You find that when he sits down his arms are often folded, his legs close together this is all closed body language

Passive Aggressive - the way he dealt with Auba

Uncomfortable with one on one interactions - during eight episodes he never has more than brief interactions with players one on one, often the same with staff and when he’s interviewed he’s usually on his own. Even at home there is a distance maintained from his wife and kids
See his response when asked about how Wenger would go for a coffee with whoever was his club captain, the idea horrifies him.

None of this is deep psychoanalysis because apart from anything else psychoanalysis deals with what’s beneath the surface the pre and sub conscious - dream analysis and bullshit like that. I’m merely talking about what’s there on a plain surface level. I’m sorry we’ve become so detached as a society that we can’t read each other anymore but there’s nothing I’ve said that shouldn’t be apparent to anyone with any basic understanding of body language and behaviour.

I’m sorry to piss on your bonfire, but when I said I was deeply concerned by what I saw in that documentary it wasn’t hyperbole. To be honest I went in thinking i was just making assumptions about how stand offish, socially awkward and unfriendly he was….and for the first episode I thought ok maybe I’ve misjudged him but as you go further in the evidence is disturbing.

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Arms folded is a defensive posture that tells people keep away that’s basic body language reading, the lack of fixed eye contact (often looks away from people). You find that when he sits down his arms are often folded, his legs close together this is all closed body language

Passive Aggressive - the way he dealt with Auba

Uncomfortable with one on one interactions - during eight episodes he never has more than brief interactions with players one on one, often the same with staff and when he’s interviewed he’s usually on his own. Even at home there is a distance maintained from his wife and kids
See his response when asked about how Wenger would go for a coffee with whoever was his club captain, the idea horrifies him.

None of this is deep psychoanalysis because apart from anything else psychoanalysis deals with what’s beneath the surface the pre and sub conscious - dream analysis and bullshit like that. I’m merely talking about what’s there on a plain surface level. I’m sorry we’ve become so detached as a society that we can’t read each other anymore but there’s nothing I’ve said that shouldn’t be apparent to anyone with any basic understanding of body language and behaviour.

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While i'm perfectly prepared to accept he's not the best man-manager - that much has been obvious from his failure to work with many players already - i think you need to apply a pinch of salt to what you see on 'AoN' - he may well be reacting to the presence of the cameras in the way he behaves.

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No the difference is your drawing your opinion from 7 games (6 realistically) I’m drawing off almost 140

Also why mention Zinchenko along with Jesus, I don’t know why he and quality belong in the same sentence. He doesn’t know what a left back does, he doesn’t get forward the only thing he does is maybe free up space for Martinelli

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- 1st season - FA Cup
- 3rd season - misses out on CL football by just 2 points with the youngest team in the EPL
- Currently has a team playing better than we have seen at Arsenal for more than a decade. Clearly able tactically. Has put together perhaps the most exciting collection of young players in Europe and build a solid platform for whoever manages us next season. Has restored some identity; a clear playing style; spirit and togetherness among the players and healed much of the rift between players and fans. Has made the Emirates a happy place to be again. Has cleared out most of the dross.

Not bad for a rookie manager.

This is what I am drawing on. If you want to ignore the progress that Arteta has made over the past 18 months then knock yourself out.

...and if you think Zinchenko is not quality, I'm afraid that says it all.

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Even at home there is a distance maintained from his wife and kids

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:lol:

You cannot be taken seriously when you post shit like this.
His wife makes fleeting appearances at best, it's a series about Arsenal's season, not Arteta's home life.
From the fleeting glimpses we do get you're making up this whole narrative about his relationship with his wife and kids.
Do me a favour.

This continues to be all in your head, no matter how many times you double down on it.

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No the difference is your drawing your opinion from 7 games (6 realistically) I’m drawing off almost 140

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Bullshit. No-one is doing that.

The season he joined we ended up:
W15 D14 L10 56 - 8th. He joined in December, our points per game that season up to the point he joined were 1.29, in the games he was in charge for it was 1.62.
And, as has been noted, we won the FA Cup beating City and Chelsea in the semi-final and final.

The following season our stats were:
W18 D7 L13 61 - 8th. Not great but some improvement points wise.

Last season our stats were:
W22 D3 L13 69 - 5th - I'd suggest this is a pretty decent improvement and I'd note that 69 points was enough for 3rd in the previous 2 seasons. The collapse at the end was disappointing but pretty much no-one on here expected top 4 last year.

This season...sure, we've had mostly easy games so far, but we are winning games we weren't winning last season. Obviously we don't know where we'll end up, there's a long way to go.
But anyone who can't see some improvement year on year just isn't looking. Not just in terms of points but in terms of style of play and a feeling that they're a team now and not just a group of players.
And it's still a young squad which has plenty of potential for improvement.

The progress has been slow and at times painful, there were plenty of times during his first 18 months where I wasn’t sure if we’d even finish in the top half. I actually think he was the coach who benefitted most from games behind closed doors, there’s no doubt it would have been incredibly toxic with fans in the ground and the clamour to sack him would have given the board a decision to make.

Now coming to the end of his second 18 months I can see with clarity what’s been happening. It was a total rebuild from back to front. Gone are the washed up players coasting on big contracts because the previous regime had no strategy and wasted a fortune on short term fixes. Now we have a hungry first team mostly made of players who were all signed under Arteta’s watch, the result is possibly the most functional Arsenal team we’ve seen in years.

Is it perfect? No, far from it. I fear for us if there is an injury pile up, which knowing our luck will happen at some point. We should have gone in on CM and maybe a winger too, but you can’t have it all I guess.

Things are much better now than the mess he inherited, how far can he take us I don’t know but I’m enjoying watching us again and it’s been donkeys years since I’ve felt that.

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The progress has been slow and at times painful, there were plenty of times during his first 18 months where I wasn’t sure if we’d even finish in the top half. I actually think he was the coach who benefitted most from games behind closed doors, there’s no doubt it would have been incredibly toxic with fans in the ground and the clamour to sack him would have given the board a decision to make.

Now coming to the end of his second 18 months I can see with clarity what’s been happening. It was a total rebuild from back to front. Gone are the washed up players coasting on big contracts because the previous regime had no strategy and wasted a fortune on short term fixes. Now we have a hungry first team mostly made of players who were all signed under Arteta’s watch, the result is possibly the most functional Arsenal team we’ve seen in years.

Is it perfect? No, far from it. I fear for us if there is an injury pile up, which knowing our luck will happen at some point. We should have gone in on CM and maybe a winger too, but you can’t have it all I guess.

Things are much better now than the mess he inherited, how far can he take us I don’t know but I’m enjoying watching us again and it’s been donkeys years since I’ve felt that.

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Pretty much.

Arteta shouldn't have been given the job.

Arteta was very lucky not to be, and justifiably could've been, sacked.

Arteta is doing a decent job now.


All of those statements can be true. I definitely wanted him out. I think if he'd gone and a Conte, Pochetino, other experienced manager came in then Arsenal could be in the CL this season and a year ahead of where they are now. But he's still there and now making undeniable progress so I no longer want him sacked. I still don't like his favoritism, his aversion to others, his poor in game management and lots of other things but the good is now outweighing the bad.

The players clearly like him and many have said on multiple occasions how good he is one on one. That even goes back to his time at City, where many City players have said the same.

But he folds his arms :angry:
#ArtetaOut

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While i'm perfectly prepared to accept he's not the best man-manager - that much has been obvious from his failure to work with many players already - i think you need to apply a pinch of salt to what you see on 'AoN' - he may well be reacting to the presence of the cameras in the way he behaves.

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Wouldn’t he be on his best behaviour in front of the cameras, why would he pretend to be extremely insular and socially awkward?

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- 1st season - FA Cup
- 3rd season - misses out on CL football by just 2 points with the youngest team in the EPL
- Currently has a team playing better than we have seen at Arsenal for more than a decade. Clearly able tactically. Has put together perhaps the most exciting collection of young players in Europe and build a solid platform for whoever manages us next season. Has restored some identity; a clear playing style; spirit and togetherness among the players and healed much of the rift between players and fans. Has made the Emirates a happy place to be again. Has cleared out most of the dross.

Not bad for a rookie manager.

This is what I am drawing on. If you want to ignore the progress that Arteta has made over the past 18 months then knock yourself out.

...and if you think Zinchenko is not quality, I'm afraid that says it all.

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I see in your attempt to make a coherent argument you’ve pretended the 2nd season didn’t exist

The parallels between the second and third season are striking, we lost as many games we just drew fewer.

We failed to score in 11 league games in 2021/2022, we failed to score in 11 in 2020/2021

We had a goal difference of + 16 in 2020/2021, and + 13 in 2021/2022

Every time we seem to turn a corner we then go into a run of defeats, that’s the way it’s been throughout Arteta’s reign

And I’ll remind you that people have said exactly the same about Ramsey as you are now saying about Zinchenko. I don’t know if he’s a good player or not, all i know is that he’s not a left back and I’m not even sure what position is his best.

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But he folds his arms :angry:
#ArtetaOut

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You insisted it was in my head and I’m trying to explain basic body language to you that allows you to come to a conclusion about someone, a lot of our behaviour is done without thinking about it…it’s called having tells. I can assume you’ve never played poker in your life

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:lol:

You cannot be taken seriously when you post shit like this.
His wife makes fleeting appearances at best, it's a series about Arsenal's season, not Arteta's home life.
From the fleeting glimpses we do get you're making up this whole narrative about his relationship with his wife and kids.
Do me a favour.

This continues to be all in your head, no matter how many times you double down on it.

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Compare Xhaka’s reaction to seeing his children and his wife to Arteta

Again what you seem to miss is that I’m not saying he should be sacked because he’s an emotional retard but that it’s abundantly clear that lack of emotional intelligence has contributed to what anyone else would see as a below average managerial record for a club like Arsenal.

I’m not saying he’d be a good coach if he was warm and a people person.

If we are assessing his role as a coach it’s far easier to point to continually poor transfer decisions, poor substitutions, falling out with players and inability to rotate his squad.

This whole argument started because it was asserted that I couldn’t possibly know Arteta was a cold person. Where as it’s abundantly clear

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Pretty much.

Arteta shouldn't have been given the job.

Arteta was very lucky not to be, and justifiably could've been, sacked.

Arteta is doing a decent job now.


All of those statements can be true. I definitely wanted him out. I think if he'd gone and a Conte, Pochetino, other experienced manager came in then Arsenal could be in the CL this season and a year ahead of where they are now. But he's still there and now making undeniable progress so I no longer want him sacked. I still don't like his favoritism, his aversion to others, his poor in game management and lots of other things but the good is now outweighing the bad.

The players clearly like him and many have said on multiple occasions how good he is one on one. That even goes back to his time at City, where many City players have said the same.

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Except I don’t think it’s clear the players do like him

Are we to ignore the testimony of every player who has left the club who said they had no relationship with the coach and were frozen out, and actually couldn’t understand what they’d done wrong.

The testimonies to Arteta are based on his tactical knowledge and how driven he is, they respect the fact he’s smart and understands the game well. I think that’s true, but I think in that lies an arrogance which leads him to think he’s more clever than he is and therefore we’ve seen galaxy brained tactical set ups and glaring blind spots in the transfer market

I have two seperate views on Arteta and actually I don’t think one informs the other

I don’t like him as a person, there’s a level on which I can relate to him not being a people person and preferring his own company. But I think the difference between us is I’m not arrogant enough to know that about myself and do a job where a level of being personable is required. So either Arteta lacks the capacity for self reflection or he’s monstrously arrogant.

But monstrously arrogant people often lack self reflection. I think he’s a coward, I think he’s spiteful and I think he’d be ok destroying the career of any player in service to his own ego. When I say I think this is purely my opinion…he gives me every impression of being a truly nasty piece of work.

But that’s not relevant to how he does the job, if I was happy with the job he was doing not only would I not be bothered about him being a nasty piece of work, I’d positively be very pleased about it.

But I’ve seen too many transfer summers where players were bought we didn’t need and positions were needed players in was ignored.

I saw a record last season of losing almost 90% of games where we conceded the first goal

Of losing almost a third of our league games, a goal scoring record of 165 goals in 103 games

I don’t care how we’ve flattered to deceive to find ourselves top, I don’t care that we’ve managed one solid performance three days ago in the entire time the cunt has been here.

The guy is a fucking fraud.

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Pretty much.

Arteta shouldn't have been given the job.

Arteta was very lucky not to be, and justifiably could've been, sacked.

Arteta is doing a decent job now.


All of those statements can be true. I definitely wanted him out. I think if he'd gone and a Conte, Pochetino, other experienced manager came in then Arsenal could be in the CL this season and a year ahead of where they are now. But he's still there and now making undeniable progress so I no longer want him sacked. I still don't like his favoritism, his aversion to others, his poor in game management and lots of other things but the good is now outweighing the bad.

The players clearly like him and many have said on multiple occasions how good he is one on one. That even goes back to his time at City, where many City players have said the same.

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i wouldn't want Ponce or Conte tbh

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i wouldn't want Ponce or Conte tbh

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I’m not pining for another coach I haven’t even thought that far, I have no realistic expectation that a shoddily run club like ours will push Arteta when it’s time to do so.

Plus as I say I think he’s only the symptom of a much larger disease

Edu needs to go, Richard Garlick needs to go, Kroenke’s retarded son needs to go….that creepy child molester Carlos Cuesta needs to go

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I have two seperate views on Arteta and actually I don’t think one informs the other

I don’t like him as a person, there’s a level on which I can relate to him not being a people person and preferring his own company. But I think the difference between us is I’m not arrogant enough to know that about myself and do a job where a level of being personable is required. So either Arteta lacks the capacity for self reflection or he’s monstrously arrogant.

But monstrously arrogant people often lack self reflection. I think he’s a coward, I think he’s spiteful and I think he’d be ok destroying the career of any player in service to his own ego. When I say I think this is purely my opinion…he gives me every impression of being a truly nasty piece of work.

But that’s not relevant to how he does the job, if I was happy with the job he was doing not only would I not be bothered about him being a nasty piece of work, I’d positively be very pleased about it.

But I’ve seen too many transfer summers where players were bought we didn’t need and positions were needed players in was ignored.

I saw a record last season of losing almost 90% of games where we conceded the first goal

Of losing almost a third of our league games, a goal scoring record of 165 goals in 103 games

I don’t care how we’ve flattered to deceive to find ourselves top, I don’t care that we’ve managed one solid performance three days ago in the entire time the cunt has been here.

The guy is a fucking fraud.

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I agree the record when going behind was appalling, it was my biggest bugbear last year. Knowing that going behind in a match would almost certainly result in a loss was pathetic. We’ve already managed to match the one win we got last season after conceding first, so that’s something I guess. :lol:

Honestly man, I think your hatred for Arteta as a person has clouded your judgment to the work actually being done. No one is saying we’re on a one way ticket to the promise land but it certainly feels better than it was.

It’s honestly not clouded anything, I just don’t think I’ve seen anything that makes me believe we will finish top four.

Games like Sunday are nice but they are the exception. I don’t hate Arteta, that would be ridiculous I’ve never met him and he’s never done anything to me personally. I’m providing a character assessment based on what I’ve seen of him, and it makes me believe I wouldn’t like him if I did know him.

I don’t think he’s doing a good job it’s as simple as that, and it will take far far more than what I’ve seen so far to convince me otherwise.

If we beat Tottenham, get a draw against Liverpool, get results against Leeds, Southampton, Forest and Wolves….I won’t be too fussed even if we lose to Chelsea. I don’t give a fuck about the Europa league

Then I can say the horrendous record in the past is in the past and isn’t just a continuing pattern of a man who doesn’t know what he’s doing and who’s spite and stubbornness is bringing us down with him.

I don’t forgive easily, the United game was unforgivable….because it made me question something I’d never done with Wenger or Emery, gave me cause to believe he deliberately tanked the game. I can’t prove it, I never will be able to….but it’s the kind of thing a personality like I suspect Arteta has would do out of petulance.

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Compare Xhaka’s reaction to seeing his children and his wife to Arteta

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlTrf6G7vLg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlTrf6G7vLg

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The grownups are talking

Why don’t you sit and watch one of the Minion films with the kids get them to point out which one most looks like you

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The grownups are talking

Why don’t you sit and watch one of the Minion films with the kids get them to point out which one most looks like you

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That would work better if you weren't the one thinking you can infer details of someone's character down to his relationships with his family from a heavily edited reality TV show.
The clip explains why you're so full of shit. If you can't or won't engage with it then fine :good:

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That would work better if you weren't the one thinking you can infer details of someone's character down to his relationships with his family from a heavily edited reality TV show.
The clip explains why you're so full of shit. If you can't or won't engage with it then fine :good:

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Again none of this is complicated

If you were on camera for a documentary would you or would you not make the effort to present the best version of yourself especially in a section where your home life is being looked at. Yes I accept your point about documentaries being sanitised, but that’s the point….a sanitised version would not show him ignoring his own kids and barely being able to look at his own wife.

Maybe it was wrong of me to assume what appears so obvious would be so to other people but you’re acting like I’m saying this stuff now rather than stuff I highlighted as highly alarming at the time. Yes I get it we are all prone to hyperbole, but I’m very serious here. I’ve even spoken about it with others with a view to wonder whether he’s on the autism spectrum but that would be an unfair diagnosis which I am absolutely not qualified to make.

Honestly look through the thread, I note constantly about how I find his behaviour disturbing and people like here dismiss it because it’s just a documentary. Where as just a documentary would show the most sanitised version of him, it wouldn’t make him seem strange if he wasn’t.

I’ll leave you with a review i wrote for the series some time ago. Looked at in isolation from my opinion of Arteta as a coach, it ardently points out what I regard as red flags about him as a person.


All or Nothing: Arsenal

This brought out the hypocrite in me, because I was very clear that I wasn’t in favour of this…I think the club is still very much at a crossroads and opening yourself up to ridicule in this way is just unnecessary.

However the bonnet was opened and I wasn’t about to avoid taking a look at the inner mechanisms.

So what did I learn?

Not a lot really, these documentaries are done for the purpose of drama rather than informing their audience. So the only insights you get are into the psychological make up of the people being interviewed.
And to that end the series was less about Arsenal football club and more about Mikel Arteta. Which was an interesting way to go when you’re dealing with someone who on the surface is not especially charismatic or interesting.
However what it does is leave you with several red flags, the players all seem of the view that Arteta is one of the most tactically astute people in the game.
But there’s no real personal affection, there is very little seen of him interacting with players on a one on one basis apart from a rather odd conversation with Cedric Soares about rote learning telephone numbers.
Even Edu seems to hint that what at least was missing in previous seasons was a personal relationship with the players.
Arteta’s body language betrays him, whilst he demands that a player look at him in post match bollockings he clearly finds eye contact difficult to maintain. There is that defensive body posture of arms folded and a sense that even outside of the club there really isn’t anything resembling close friendships.
That’s not a criticism, in fact I’m a very introverted person myself (people have noticed that I seem far less confident and at ease around people I see in person than how we might speak online)
For the life of me though I can’t see how that works in a job which requires you to be an extrovert with social skills and it’s not a lack of effort on his part either. He does try to interact with players on the training ground but it comes across as artificial and there seems to always be an air of condescension about him when he does.
Quixotic team talks that are largely a rambling shambles (and not helped by the fact that his basque accent tends to make him sound like he’s mumbling at times - although this was far more pronounced with Unai Emery) do not help his cause and although I’ve no doubt the players want to win for him their blank expressions betray the fact that when it comes to inspirational speeches they have no idea what he’s talking about (which again is better than having no idea what they are saying which is where they were with Emery)
When Wenger first came to Arsenal he would often go for coffee with his captain Tony Adams because he wanted to know the man as well as the player, and in a way a counsellor would be proud of gave Adams space to open up to him about being in recovery from Alcohol addiction which he had up to that point only admitted to himself that he had a problem.
Arteta seems to delegate a lot of these personal conservations he should be having to other members of staff.
Basic man management dictates that you need to understand your team, what their temperament is, how far you can push them to get the best out of them but mainly they need to also know who you are in order to trust you.
Arteta is the main focus of this documentary and we the viewer have no greater understanding of who he is as a person at the end of episode eight than we do at the start of episode one.

All I have taken from the past few pages is that HCZ wants Arteta sacked and Xhaka dropped, pretty much like any thread really! ;)

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All I have taken from the past few pages is that HCZ wants Arteta sacked and Xhaka dropped, pretty much like any thread really! ;)

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That’s not untrue

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That’s not untrue

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Really have to be looking to get Steve Clarke in now to take over.

Doubt he'd be tempted to leave his current role though, tbf

Behave

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Originally Posted by mandela8

Pretty much.

Arteta shouldn't have been given the job.

Arteta was very lucky not to be, and justifiably could've been, sacked.

Arteta is doing a decent job now.


All of those statements can be true. I definitely wanted him out. I think if he'd gone and a Conte, Pochetino, other experienced manager came in then Arsenal could be in the CL this season and a year ahead of where they are now. But he's still there and now making undeniable progress so I no longer want him sacked. I still don't like his favoritism, his aversion to others, his poor in game management and lots of other things but the good is now outweighing the bad.

The players clearly like him and many have said on multiple occasions how good he is one on one. That even goes back to his time at City, where many City players have said the same.

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Agree with most of your assessment here except the part where you say he is currently doing a decent job....I would say for a Rookie who has had 3 years and 100 of millions poured in (with the undoubted easy fixtures we have had), he's only doing the least he should be doing to avoid the sack after last year's self inflicted horror show.

I can't help but shake the feeling that if we'd given the job to a more experienced hand and continued on the recruitment drive we've had post Emery, we would likely be in a better place. Oh well, hopefully lego man proves me wrong.

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Agree with most of your assessment here except the part where you say he is currently doing a decent job....I would say for a Rookie who has had 3 years and 100 of millions poured in (with the undoubted easy fixtures we have had), he's only doing the least he should be doing to avoid the sack after last year's self inflicted horror show.

I can't help but shake the feeling that if we'd given the job to a more experienced hand and continued on the recruitment drive we've had post Emery, we would likely be in a better place. Oh well, hopefully lego man proves me wrong.

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Yep. Absolutely no issue with that. Completely agree.

I also don't think he's entitled to any "it's young team" leeway either.

Pressure is on him for us to win tomorrow and play well. They gave us a real hiding at their place and the end of last season, payback time.

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Pressure is on him for us to win tomorrow and play well. They gave us a real hiding at their place and the end of last season, payback time.

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Tbf, they got a lucky penalty decision and a pretty weak red card which ruined the game.

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Tbf, they got a lucky penalty decision and a pretty weak red card which ruined the game.

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which is pretty much what you can expect every time in the NLD

Spuds would be the favourites to win in most eyes - we have beaten the weak teams this season but lost against an all-over-the-place Moan Utd

our team isn't streetwise enough to cope with these cheats - we know they will con the ref into at least one pel and also if they've any sense they'll target Xhaka as much as possible

we shouldn't go into it thinking about staying top of the table - that won't last anyway

A draw is fine to keep Spuds where they are - below us in the table - we shouldn't go chasing a win if it's 1-1 and a few minutes to go

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which is pretty much what you can expect every time in the NLD

Spuds would be the favourites to win in most eyes - we have beaten the weak teams this season but lost against an all-over-the-place Moan Utd

our team isn't streetwise enough to cope with these cheats - we know they will con the ref into at least one pel and also if they've any sense they'll target Xhaka as much as possible

we shouldn't go into it thinking about staying top of the table - that won't last anyway

A draw is fine to keep Spuds where they are - below us in the table - we shouldn't go chasing a win if it's 1-1 and a few minutes to go

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I wouldn’t make them the favourites to win, they have a lousy record at the Emirates and the only reason they got a draw against Chelsea was because a) Chelsea couldn’t take their chances and b) The cheating went unpunished.

They’ve been poor this season…yes they scored loads against Leicester but Leicester are atrocious defensively…they gifted Spurs at least three of those goals

They’ve lost ten times from the sixteen times they’ve come here in the league and won only once. They are not great defensively either.

They are capable of getting a draw but can’t see them winning

I think we will concede, but I think if we keep our goal scoring record I think we should beat them

maybe, but i'm always pessimistic about the NLD and given the stakes i just worry we'll get carried away and they'll get the cynical win - hope you're right though

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Tbf, they got a lucky penalty decision and a pretty weak red card which ruined the game.

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They got all the big calls but they were hardly lucky. It’s in the past anyway, tomorrow is all about securing 3 points nothing less.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I wouldn’t make them the favourites to win, they have a lousy record at the Emirates and the only reason they got a draw against Chelsea was because a) Chelsea couldn’t take their chances and b) The cheating went unpunished.

They’ve been poor this season…yes they scored loads against Leicester but Leicester are atrocious defensively…they gifted Spurs at least three of those goals

They’ve lost ten times from the sixteen times they’ve come here in the league and won only once. They are not great defensively either.

They are capable of getting a draw but can’t see them winning

I think we will concede, but I think if we keep our goal scoring record I think we should beat them

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Yeah I agree with all of this. I’ll be disappointed if we don’t win tomorrow.

Never normally a problem at home against them.

Won’t be easy but should get a result.

I wanted Arteta out during that horrible losing run in COVID but i am fully behind him now. He has improved this team to the extent that we are believing again. There is still a way to go but let's be honest he is doing a really good job, that's not even in question anymore.

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Originally Posted by selassie

I wanted Arteta out during that horrible losing run in COVID but i am fully behind him now. He has improved this team to the extent that we are believing again. There is still a way to go but let's be honest he is doing a really good job, that's not even in question anymore.

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I don’t like him or trust him, it will take a lot for that to change

But, it’s fair to say I’ve been happy with the results (and the performances) since losing at Old Trafford.

I’m delighted to see Martinelli flourish (he and Jesus should absolutely be playing for Brazil at the World Cup) and I have at this moment in time zero basis to call for Arteta to be sacked.