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Ivan Gazidis points to AFC strategy (pic)
Says Afc driven by desire to be more successful
Invest in the team? da fuq?? :lol:
Increase fan base and engagement?? You mean not making ticket prices more affordable?
We spent shitloads on Ozil and Sanchez - for those 2 years we were outspending pretty much everyone and it's made a clear difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Not to mention our wage-bill being one of the highest around.
Interesting to understand what their definition of on field success is determined as.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Although this probably reveals that, when responding to the 3 million question:
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Sir Chips: “The best advice you can get is the advice from experts in their field.
“If you want proof of what that’s worth then look at this (FA Cup and Comm Shield) and our accounts.
Sir Chips is on form today
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Furious fan takes to the stage and says: “How can the squad be so strong if we have such embarrassing Champs League results?”
Sir Chips Keswick: “It’s just a noise. I’m not answering that.”
Wenger's response
Cop out of an answer.Quote:
“I agree with you, the performances were not good enough. But you have picked three performances out of 150 games in Europe. I accept you have to be critical when performances are not good.
“Look at the performance of Arsenal in the Champions League before me and after - then come back to me.”
What's he supposed to say?
That's pretty arrogant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Our wage bill was the highest around even when we hadnt signed these two players. And we didnt outspend anyone in 2 seasons.. may be the season we got Sanchez. However you can take 2 seasons and say "Voila" or I can take 10 years and say "Where is the investment in the team?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I would like to think 10 years of data paints a better picture than a few cherry picked years.
What an arse. From what I gather, the fan was asking the club why we are bad in Europe and papa Wenger had to take it personally and show his below average record. I am not surprised by this behavior.. he is treated as if he IS Arsenal FC by the board and many fans, so he thinks he owns the club. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Frankly, after 20 odd years with us, his 150 game record is pretty dismal. One CL final and getting beaten at pretty much the first sight of a good team... what a brilliant record! :lol:
I looked into this before. Over those 2 seasons when we signed Ozil and Sanchez I think City spent a lot more than us but no-one else did.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
From memory I think it was Chelsea (or possibly Utd, one of the two) who also outspent us but only marginally. No-one else in England did.
Those years would be cherry picked only if I picked 2 random years in the last 10 years. But our financial position changed radically 2 years ago when the new financial deals were in place. And then our spending changed. Comparing our spending before then and after is ridiculous and simplistic. A lot of the last 10 years we've had the stadium debt and (relatively) poor commercial deals, and we had the billionaires running amock inflating the market.Quote:
However you can take 2 seasons and say "Voila" or I can take 10 years and say "Where is the investment in the team?"
I would like to think 10 years of data paints a better picture than a few cherry picked years.
Could we have spent more in that period? Probably we could, yes. Wenger erred on the side of caution and in the short term maybe that hurt us. In the long term it's left us in a very healthy place to compete and when Wenger felt the money was there he started spending it. The lack of a striker in the summer was a disappointment and on Wenger's head be it if that hurts us, we seem to be doing ok so far, after a shaky start. The CL games have been a balls up but we're 2nd in the league, we just beat the team who were top comfortably - a team we regularly messed up against. I'll reserve judgement till May but I don't things are going so bad right now, we're looking like a side that can challenge which is what we all want, isn't it?
Things are not bad for us. We are always in a good or decent position (and I am not saying this sarcastically) but we are never in the best position. That is my problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
With a club the size of Arsenal, with the resources of Arsenal, we perform like an above average team when we should be up there with the best. I want this club to have the swagger of the Madrids, Barcelonas, Milans (of old) but we go into games like we are some second grade club. That is unacceptable to me.
I think that's reasonable but IMO we're getting closer - the last couple of years have shown a difference in the transfer policy when the new deals provided the money to do it.
The result so far has been the FA Cups which is a good start. I'm disappointed we didn't challenge last year but I saw a few glimpses of a side that could. We've kept in touch this year, if we stay in touch I think we've got a chance.
We'll probably balls it up against Watford now I've said that :lol:
Ah, deleting posts again. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
So I think the question should be, what am I supposed to say to ensure it meets your approval?
The post you deleted was bang-on. That's what you are here to do and you've made it obvious.
A disappointing and deliberately obtuse response from him, missing the point entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Probably touched a nerve, he knows full well his performance in the CL is going to be the source of much regret long after he's retired.
Though granted we weren't in the CL before him, we at least managed to win some European silverware. :coffee:
Hey! We spent more than anyone, so you can't criticise his transfer record! Also, we can't compete against the big spending chavs and gypos, so you can't criticise Wenger on anything really. Or if you really want to criticise him, at least wait until the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Strawmen :bow:
Getting a bit boring now, really. :sleep:
Unlike your censorship which remains breathlessly exciting. I really can't wait for the next instalment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What was sensored and why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I got bored with Letters' constant intervention every time the slightest hint of a criticism of Jesus Wenger is posted up so I may have called him a tool or something like that. Totally uncalled for, so I volunteered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
Well within your rights as a volunteer, I would sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
How is Jesus by the way, I hear he has vowed to undergo another resurrection
As for you NQ, stop fucking with the son and the holy ghost .....or you'll get banned
On an unrelated note, its hilarious that Bayern fans are demonstrating against our ticket prices, while our fans sit like mute idiots season after season. Our fans are turning into mirror images of the board and the manager- toothless.
I promised no such thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
There's too much corruption at the moment so I think I'll have a nice cup of tea and wait for it to blow over.
There have been quite a few protests over the ticket prices, but they always fall flat because they aren't supported by the very silent majority who wouldn't protest if you set fire to their cocks. The Arsenal monopolist's view was made clear by Ivan the Lizard today - demand drives the price. The part he skips over is the lack of choice. The very nature of football means you're not going to walk down the road to a rival club with cheaper prices. It's a monopoly with a captive audience, not quite as bad as the rail or energy services, because you don't HAVE to consume the product, but essentially the game is the same and they'll happily take a wealthy plastic over a less well off fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
His eyes will be bleeding by the time I've finished fucking with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
oh shit the haemorrhage treatment .....he's a dead man walkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Mirror suggesting that Wenger has hinted he will go at the end of his current contract.
The quote they use from the AGM doesn't Really say that to me, but to be honest if he comes out and says next season will be his last fair play to him.
Would be nice to think he ends his time on a high.
Really good writeup on the AGM here from Arseblog. Has all the questions and responses:
http://news.arseblog.com/2015/10/ars...m-2015-report/
Gazidis had a excellent game. Very polished and radiated confidence. Feels like he knows what he's doing and that you could trust him.
Wenger was decent apart from the flub with his response regarding the CL defeats. Could have handled it a bit better with more humility.
Sir Chips had a complete shocker ..... came across as completely obtuse and aloof...... like his predecessor. Thankfully that old fool doesn't have much if any executive power at the club. Still, it shows you the problem when you don't have competent football oriented people at the top.
The 3 million question still not properly answered though, and both Kroenke nor his son (who's also somehow wormed his way onto the board) didn't say a single word throughout which was disappointing. A lot of anger rightfully directed their way about that payment. God forbid they try it again next year because there's going to be a riot if they do ...... fucking leeches.
The pathetic thing is they dont even need it. Its like a man with 50 hamburgers still trying to steal a hotdog. They do it simply to be nasty. If they declare a dividend, then everyone gets a share. but these unverifiable payments are just to rub it in everyones noses. Nasty bunch of scammers.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
Mostly because they've priced out the more traditional fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
That said, there was that table of football prices - our cheapest season ticket is £1050, Spurs is £750. BUT, ours does include 7 cup ties, theirs only 2. And you do get a rebate at Arsenal if you don't use them all. So actually in price per game it's not much different and who would you rather watch, us or that lot?
The prices are all ridiculous of course but while average footballers are earning £100k a week the money's got to come from somewhere. It all comes from us one way or another, tickets, merchandise, Sky and BT subscriptions etc.
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Originally Posted by Letters
Do a proper comparison. We have no business charging what we charge, especially when we're so frugal with our transfer dealings. It's a disgrace.
I don't personally think a price decrease can be justified as we are selling out games (though a mandatory freeze for the next few years at least would be welcome).
As for the frugality on the transfer front, with any luck that old cumudgeon will be gone by 2017
A proper comparison would take into consideration what you get for your season ticket - as I said we get 7 cup games, Spurs get 2. I don't know about the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
But overall yes, our ticket prices are a disgrace. But our wage bill is ridiculous - it's not just about transfer fees although Sanchez and Ozil weren't us being frugal.
That money's got to come from somewhere and unless you've got a benefactor propping you up it's going to come from the fans.
We're a business, if you can fill a stadium charging £20 a ticket and you can still fill it with £60 a ticket then what are you going to do?
Obviously they're screwing the fans but what's the alternative if you want to try and compete?
I think the point is, they aren't trying to compete. At least not on the football field. We all know what had to happen this summer if we were serious about competing. That didn't happen and it's not good pointing backwards and saying well, at least we started the process. I might run the London Marathon next year, my goal is to win it but my intention is to run 100 yards and then go down the pub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Aye, that's my stance on things too and I still think Wenger & Ivan are hiding behind the signings of Ozil and Sanchez as a means to justify our transfer policy and the previous price hikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Our wage bill in comparison to our rivals in PL isn't so bad. The thing is we can't really cry about what we pay our players when we aim to be a top European club that charge crazy ticket prices, we can't have it one way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We are essentially paying a top tier prize to see a team that is "attempting" to be the best and the "attempt" at best is passive.
IFQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Walcott continues with his current run of form and starts to develop into an effective striker then I guess the manager and the club were justified in not splashing out for an alternative in the summer. IF. That doesn't excuse us being in the position of lacking a top striker for several seasons and it certainly doesn't explain Sanogo. Nevertheless, we might get lucky on the striker front like we did with Bellerin and Coquelin. And if we get lucky three times then it starts to suggest there's more to it than luck. So it's a little bit of both, decent development internally (by whatever means) but a loss of competitiveness over a protracted period while waiting for these resources to develop.
The DM role though. That's the one that gives the game away.
Tell that to the league table. Last time I looked we were 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I don't think it's 'too soon' to talk about the league table, do you?
You say the prices are a disgrace but justify it. :lol: Plus you throw in the salesman trick with the old 'we'll throw in a free......when you purchase......' :lol: It's bollocks. Offer a price without the bundled on junk you can live without. In this climate it's necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
And we're not competing. It took the revenue from sponsorship deals for us to purchase class players and we spent years flushing wages down the shitter by paying players like Bendy, Denilson, etc £50k. Combine the fees we were paying for junk, we could have afforded the wage of a genuine star player like Sanchez. It shouldn't have taken the sponsorship deals. The sponsorship deals should have eased the burden off the fans.
I'm not justifying it. Sheesh, you're so desperate to disagree with everything I say even when we're agreeing with each other...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I'm just asking where the money is going to come from if it isn't the fans?
All I'm saying is our season ticket offers more games than Spurs' and that should be considered when comparing the pricesQuote:
:lol: Plus you throw in the salesman trick with the old 'we'll throw in a free......when you purchase......' :lol: It's bollocks.
Offer a price without the bundled on junk you can live without. In this climate it's necessary.
I guess we could have an option without the cup games, at least people would then have the option to buy them if they want to although I suspect most would want to.