Euro 2024

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Originally Posted by Letters

That wasn't the only reason:

And you were scathing about Dechamps too.

But it's a pointless "prediction". It's unprovable, it's unfalsifiable. The only vindication for your position is if we change manager and we win the next World Cup. The first of those things may happen, the second won't. And that's a prediction we can check in 2 years.

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Of course it’s unprovable, it’s a statement of opinion but what I’m saying to you is, that theres a strong possibility that the reason you see the claim as being no different to one where someone would claim “we’d have won that if Sven hadn’t started with Emile Heskey” is because by your own admission you don’t watch a lot of football. When I say I think it’s not saying were the circumstances different it would have definitely happened that way, it’s saying that’s what I think would have happened.
Just as I think that had John Smith not died, Labour would probably have still got or come near a landslide in 1997. No he wasn’t Tony Blair but people really had just become utterly sick of the Tories and sleaze by then….and Labour had a consistently big poll lead since 1992. Its an unfalsifiable claim of course

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Originally Posted by Mac76

From Twitter:

When one looks closely at Kane’s goal scoring record for England (66 goals) … The history books will say England’s greatest goal scorer but one has to understand who most of these goals were scored against :-

- Almost 50% (32 Goals) scored against lowly opposition

- San Marino (5)
- Montenegro (4)
- Malta (4)
- Albania (4)
- Bulgaria (4)
- Panama (3)
- Lithuania (2)
- Kosovo (2)
- North Macedonia (2)
- Tunisia (2)

- 33%+ are Penalties (22 goals)

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Now do a comparison against other national sides’ top scorer and who they have scored against

Should be easy enough….without having to go back years. For Spain it’s David Villa, For France it’s Giroud and for Germany it’s Klose

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

What I’m saying to you is, that theres a strong possibility that the reason you see the claim as being no different to one where someone would claim “we’d have won that if Sven hadn’t started with Emile Heskey” is because by your own admission you don’t watch a lot of football.

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That does somewhat affect my ability to assess the strength of our squad against other teams'.
But you literally started this thread saying "I don’t get why England are favourites", and then went on to say it wasn't just because of Southgate you were saying that.
I don't watch much club football but I chat to others who do watch more. No-one I spoke to thought we were going to sweep all before us because of the strength of our squad - a strength you question in your opening post.

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Originally Posted by Letters

That does somewhat affect my ability to assess the strength of our squad against other teams'.
But you literally started this thread saying "I don’t get why England are favourites", and then went on to say it wasn't just because of Southgate you were saying that.
I don't watch much club football but I chat to others who do watch more. No-one I spoke to thought we were going to sweep all before us because of the strength of our squad - a strength you question in your opening post.

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I felt France had a stronger squad but I don’t think there was a lot in it , but the point of being a national team coach is that you use qualifiers and friendlies in order to identify players that can form partnerships, find the best players for the best position and create a team that is more than the sum of its parts. I don’t think Deschamps have ever done that for France and yes a better England coach might well have done so having eighteen months to work on what Southgate had left him to work with

Southgate has stepped down.



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So it's coming home in 2026 then, right HCZ? ##

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Originally Posted by Shaqiri Is Boss

Southgate has stepped down.



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Get in!!!

The right decision, would have been met with all kinds of shit had he chosen to carry on. Respect the work he’s done but it’s definitely time for someone who can get us over the line now with this group.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

The right decision, would have been met with all kinds of shit had he chosen to carry on. Respect the work he’s done but it’s definitely time for someone who can get us over the line now with this group.

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Agreed.
So the next steps are new manager, honeymoon period, Overexcitement in 2026, failure and round and round we go.

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Originally Posted by Letters

So it's coming home in 2026 then, right HCZ? ##

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Well it’s no longer definitely not coming home