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Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
:shitpost:
As it completely ignores or misunderstands the argument. The argument is not "this is fine", the argument is we don't know if it's fine yet as the season hasn't started and previous experience shows us that a patchy pre-season does not mean a patchy season. So wetting your pants before a ball has been kicked in anger is a little silly.
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Originally Posted by Letters
What you’re saying is I should have edited the meme to have in the speech bubble….”we don’t know if this is a raging fire yet “
Yes I thought the same, e.g. Odegaard looked sharp when he came on but from memory they weren't on the pitch at the same time, so I think when he builds an understanding with Gyokeres that could be pretty productiveQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
I'd generally agree although I'd like to see more of an obvious plan and it looks worrying that we seem a bit untogether at the backQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
So there aren't any fires yet but maybe just a hint of smoke
I think with these signings the pressure on Arteta to deliver is immense, everyone's fed up with all the media baiting about us being bottlers, losers, runners-up etc etc - we need to be on the podium, nothing less will do
Another person on a short timer is Madueke - got good support last night (almost OTT if you didn't know the context), but let's see how long it lasts if he doesn't prove to be particularly great
I’m saying the meme doesn’t really apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
It’s used in situations where literally everyone can see the house is burning down and one person is pretending that everything is fine and it isn’t happening.
I don’t think either of those things apply here.
I haven’t seen any pre season games and if I had I wouldn’t be drawing any conclusions from them.
I’m generally pretty happy with our summer dealings, but other clubs have done good business too.
I honestly don’t know how we will do this season. I’m not super confident about things but
I don’t think we will completely crash and burn.
But until the season gets going and the table starts to take shape it’s hard to be sure.
Completely agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Chatting to a Gooner in the office last week, in the halcyon days when I had a job.
She’s very much “Arteta Out”.
I’m not but this season is very much last chance saloon for me.
If the room is getting hotter, the air is getting harder to breathe and your eyes are stinging from smoke…there’s a good chance that what you’ve got is a fire on your handsQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Your argument that it’s pre-season so it doesn’t count, would make sense if we were somehow playing differently to how we were especially at the end of last season, but we aren’t…what’s scary about these defeats is how familiar they seem.
And we can go well we need to wait and see if this player comes back from injury, or this player beds in well. Horse shit. To use a Simpson’s analogy we are stuck in a tar pit trying to use our arms to pull our legs free.
We could miraculously start playing purposefully at Old Trafford making the stodgy ineffective mess that’s been all four pre-season games an aberration, ask yourself this…how likely do you think that is?
That's based on different sets of players under different management. Also, people trotting out the 'its only preseason, it doesn't mean anything, blah, blah, blah' is a load of cobblers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
When you see the same problems appearing and the same players doing the same stupid shit, it mean none of those issues have been addressed.
Starting the new season like that won't change that or fix them either.
The problem here is our game play has fallen short 3 season in a row now, and I would argue it's deteriorated since the second time we finished 2nd.
There are new personnel, which is great, but we are seeing the same shit which saw us fail time and again, when we needed not to.
That raises my concern significantly ahead of the new season.
Also, :shitpost: is not an emoji, I suggest you create one for future counter posts :good:
And by the way nothing is written in stone to say we are going to go down in flames, but now might be the time to get out the fire extinguisher not say well we don’t know that the cladding on the outside of the building is flammable…let’s not spread panic.
Though I find it hard to come to any other conclusion but that the fire extinguisher is bringing in two more players (and making the sales to accommodate this) and sacking Arteta….new players, same style of play. The kind of bold and ruthless move that there’s more chance of me converting to Islam than KSE making
I’d caveat what you’ve said by saying looking at it in terms of last three seasons, first season no one expected us to make a title challenge, there was significant doubt about finishing 4th. Second season, well the second half of the season…that’s probably the best I’ve seen an Arsenal side being in about twenty years (there’s been no other time where we’ve come close to winning 16 out of 18) so I’m not prepared to pick holes there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
I would isolate it more at a malaise that’s taken hold since the beginning of last season where it’s obvious that sides know how to neutralise our attacking threat and that’s why 91 goals in 2022/2023 became 69 goals in 2023/2024. That and our defensive solidity has turned to complacency and laziness