Match Reaction - Arsenal vs Sunderland

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Originally Posted by server too busy!

I don't understand why everyone is surprised about Man City getting all these players. You throw enough money around and continue season after season and eventually you will get success. How can people expect us to win the league when Man City have an infinite pot of cash and will keep spending until they start winning.

The only way to stop that is to make sure wage caps are introduced and financial fair play is introduced. Outside of that there is not much Wenger or the board can do unless they follow suit...as much as we'd love that I'd rather not become another City/Chelsea and struggle when these rules come in.

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The rules aren't going to make a blind bit of difference, as City have already demonstrated. What we really need is for much, much tighter control of agents. It's in the interests of these cunts to run around destabilising players and teams and fragmenting the game. That's hoe the slime skim their money.

Fabregas is better than anyone City have now or will ever have. We built him here. RvP could well be the best striker in Europe right now. Built at Arsenal. We've never needed City's billions, all we ever needed was a few million invested in experience at key moments. But those uber-cunts on the board wouldn't do it and they still won't. They are the problem. For all City's cash, with a couple of choice signings they'd still be on our coattails. Admittedly they have now spent such a stupidly huge amount getting 2-3 world class players per position they will be hard to beat simply because they won't suffer as much from injuries and suspensions. So yeah, the big money tells in the end but it was our refusal to spend a little rather than their determination to spend a lot that has made the difference over the last few seasons.

So there is something the board can do to correct this. They can kill themselves.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

TV has just signed a new deal, surely he'll play for us again some time in the future. RvP says he's committed (or maybe he means he should be committed for deciding to stay), but he's here now and banging in the goals. Arshavin says he's staying, we have new signings that won't be going anywhere soon. There's enough stability to build a team now. I'm not sure how effective that team will be in the long run but we need to give them a chance. What's the alternative? Criticise them win, lose or draw? We know things aren't right at the club, we know how many mistakes have been made, we know there's a struggle ahead. If they fuck up again then let's say they have fucked up again and be angry about that. But why say Wenger out in October when we know that's not going to happen? Wouldn't it be better to focus on what's possible, like RvP continuing to play well, or maybe Ox breaking into the team and making an impact, or Rosicky finding form, or Arshavin starting to play? I don't mean bury your head in the sand, I mean we have a season ahead and if the team is putting a shift in then let's acknowledge that and give them some support. Next summer we can talk about who goes but what does this talk achieve now?

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could not agree more :gp:

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Originally Posted by up the arse

could not agree more :gp:

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Wenger out, tbh.

Some good posts here.

My feelings? I think the Summer was a massive balls up - from board to manager. And I think that losing arguably our 2 best players, after last season's meltdown - and this on top of a reputation for refusing to pay market price for players at a time when Citeh are hoovering up - created a toxic environment in which the arse dropped out of our team. And once you suffer such a complete crisis of confidence as manager and players - underlined by a truly traumatising result al Old Trafford, it is extremely difficult to bounce back. Because players' faith in the manager's methods is shaken so badly, and other teams are encouraged and fancy their chances against a wounded animal.

So yes, mistakes have been made and AW could and should have done something about it. Its not as though our current problems could not have been foreseen.

But what's done is done. We now need to get behind our manager and players. The CL games, and the Sunderland match have seen some green shoots. We are still fragile, yes, but some of our more senior players have now started to perform, and our purchases to bed in. We are at a stage where we need to take as much from individual performances as we do about results, or margins of victory. This team needs to believe in itself again, and our back 5 needs time to consolidate. We have to remember that our defence has been astonishingly disrupted - and this is hard to cope with when you play with the demands that our style of play makes on them. Vermaelen is back at the end of this month - and its crystal clear that he and Mertesacker are our first choice CB pairing. Lets allow them to try to build an understanding before we panic any more about the manager not knowing what he is doing.

So I'm looking for little steps, ATM. And Saturday counts as one of those, as did Bolton a couple of weeks ago and even the performance, at times, against Spurs. A point in Marselle tomorrow will continue the move in the right direction.

But as has been observed, we need to shift our previous points of reference this season, as finishing above Spurs is our real challenge this season.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

TV has just signed a new deal, surely he'll play for us again some time in the future. RvP says he's committed (or maybe he means he should be committed for deciding to stay), but he's here now and banging in the goals. Arshavin says he's staying, we have new signings that won't be going anywhere soon. There's enough stability to build a team now. I'm not sure how effective that team will be in the long run but we need to give them a chance. What's the alternative? Criticise them win, lose or draw? We know things aren't right at the club, we know how many mistakes have been made, we know there's a struggle ahead. If they fuck up again then let's say they have fucked up again and be angry about that. But why say Wenger out in October when we know that's not going to happen? Wouldn't it be better to focus on what's possible, like RvP continuing to play well, or maybe Ox breaking into the team and making an impact, or Rosicky finding form, or Arshavin starting to play? I don't mean bury your head in the sand, I mean we have a season ahead and if the team is putting a shift in then let's acknowledge that and give them some support. Next summer we can talk about who goes but what does this talk achieve now?

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I'd say yup to that. . .I think now it is the turn of the players to show that they have a set. . . .both the new guys and the ones that remained after the summer dealings.

If the current crop remain I think we are two transfers windows away from becoming challengers again. . . in the league that is, I believe we have a decent domestic cup run in us but consistency is our biggest enemy and we must get over this hurdle both technically and mentally before we hear SAF mention our name again.
For this to happen a lot of things have to be righted both on and off the pitch because we are still a bit of a project in both areas, that can be left for another debate and whether at such time we will be looking at chanes in management or board members I dont know.

But for the time being I am taking Saturdays result as a positive sign and hope the players/Wenger tske it to the next level. . . .

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

TV has just signed a new deal, surely he'll play for us again some time in the future.

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Wenger has got him marked down as a new signing for a couple games in the next 4 seasons. Don't anyone say we're not spoilt.

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Originally Posted by server too busy!

Seriously shut the fuck up, I'm so tired of your constant moaning. Your only happy when we lose and tbh we don't need supporters like you. FakeYank=FakeArsenalfan. Now go support one of your American teams or even better Man Utd, as its obviously in your heart.

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So what type of supporters does Arsenal need? I really would love to hear an answer for this..

As for dick measuring as to who is a bigger Arsenal fan or better, dont even start on that with me coz frankly speaking, I am probably the biggest Arsenal fan you will ever get to know.. I moan because I care. I dont like to sit and see my team disintegrate infront of my eyes.. you can do that and that is the first sign of a great fan.

PS: I am very tempted to reply to your wind up of 'STFU' but I will refrain myself. Again, if you have anything personal, PM me, I'll put you in your place. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

So what type of supporters does Arsenal need? I really would love to hear an answer for this..

As for dick measuring as to who is a bigger Arsenal fan or better, dont even start on that with me coz frankly speaking, I am probably the biggest Arsenal fan you will ever get to know.. I moan because I care. I dont like to sit and see my team disintegrate infront of my eyes.. you can do that and that is the first sign of a great fan.

PS: I am very tempted to reply to your wind up of 'STFU' but I will refrain myself. Again, if you have anything personal PM me, I'll put you in your place. Thanks!

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aww man i would love to see you two have a fight, in fact i would pay for that shit. The amount of hair pulling and scratching would be epic

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

I am probably the biggest Arsenal fan you will ever get to know..

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He is right though FY, you are a bit of a cunt tbh

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Originally Posted by FakeYank

As for dick measuring as to who is a bigger Arsenal fan or better, dont even start on that with me coz frankly speaking, I am probably the biggest Arsenal fan you will ever get to know..

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I wish NBN were alive to see this :(