You really wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
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You really wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
I'd rather see him go out on a high and applauded rather than go out to round of boos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The league is getting tougher, more teams are getting money and I don't think Wenger will be able to stand up to the challenge for much longer. We're lucky Man Utd and Liverpool aren't having the best of seasons but that will only last for so long and that's just in regards to the top 4, forget the title race.
The real danger is waiting too long for a change and trying to make the transition at a time where our rivals have managers settled in their roles with strong teams built and consistently being able to push for the top 4.
No way. You're on your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
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Originally Posted by fakeyank
No way dude.
Should ban fy for that really
The only time I'd ever favour a Spurs win is if we needed them to get a result that would benefit us, otherwise I'd happily see them lose every single game until the end of time.
It was weird that season when we needed them to do us a favour at OT on the last day and went ahead to loud cheers at Highbury :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
They cocked it up for us, obviously <_<
Sacrilege! To the stake with him!
Spuds, Stlll remember Sheringham deliberately missing a penalty while playing for West Ham.
I don't know, Spurs are Spurs and it's always fun to laugh at their pitfalls, but to be honest i think most of us would honestly say that if we didn't support Arsenal we wouldn't hate Spurs.
Chelsea and their manager however are a cancer on football, and for them to lose games for me is not only a good thing, it feels like a victory for football.
I don't think the possibility of having to stomach Spurs winning the title is something we have to ponder on too much, it's about as likely as Lord Lucan handing himself in at Kensington Police Station.
I don't mind Spurs fans, in the main. In temperament most of them are quite similar to us, they just wear a different colour. But as a club...I'm still far more annoyed when they win than Chelsea. At least with the latter I can dismiss anything they do as bought with dirty money.
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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Pretty much. Me not being from 'the area', I do not have the inherent born hatred for Spurs. I do despise them since its a part and parcel of being an Arsenal fan but Chelsea are really what is wrong with football- corrupt owner, biggest douchebag of a manager, racist captain and fans, divers, glory hunting and racist fans. There really is nothing good about that club... I think if Roman goes bankrupt, the satellites will actually have pictures of the earth smiling!
I think that's a pretty reasonable position, but I don't think Wenger deserves the abuse you give him.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
I don't know what to make of this season, we started so poorly and even recently we've been pub-teaming it a bit but the two results in Manchester have been outstanding. It's the first time for years we've won games like that, especially on Monday when it was against a rival in game which really mattered. The accepted wisdom, with some justification, is we always lose those games. Was it a sign that maybe we're finally getting over that mental block? Especially after last season when as much as we wobbled in the semi-final and final we did manage to finish the job and win the Cup.
It's been a confusing season because till recently I've had said we look worse this year, but there have been a couple of signs of progress in terms of winning these 'must win' games.
What we do need to do - and that comes back to your point about a title challenge - is sustain this sort of form over a whole season.
Oh, and winning the Cup or not is far too simplistic a way of deciding Wenger's fate, IMO.
There are such fine lines in football, if we get to the final (we had bloody better!) and play Liverpool, on current form that's a game which could go either way.
We could play very well and lose because of a poor decision, a lucky deflesction or just good play by the opposition, that's no basis for sacking a manger or not.
I completely agree. By the same token, the argument for Wenger to stand down sooner rather than later still stands even if we win the cup again. If there are systemic issues in the team and his management, winning a trophy like the cup (however pleasant, and it is very pleasant) doesn't solve the underlying issues, it only papers over the cracks. What should determine his fate are things like his ability to strategise and motivate for the big games, being able to sign players that we need and challenge seriously for titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Wouldn't winning the cup 2 years in a row show that some of those underlying issues are getting better? Last year we managed to win the thing, getting the 'no trophies' monkey off our back and finally managing to finish the job in a competition. This year if we win it we'd have that again and we've had to play Utd at Old Trafford on the way, exactly the sort of game which we 'always bottle it' in. There are some tentative signs that some of the old mental frailties are getting better. Agree with FY that we need to mount a sustained title challenge, but things like this are a sign that we might be able to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Absolutely. We've also won away in big games now, which we hadn't for a while, including getting the United curse off our backs. If we win the cup again and qualify for the CL, it'll be hard to argue against giving AW another year, for me.
I love how completely and utterly academic that statement is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Almost like it's just a fan's perspective.
He should go at the end of the season regardless of what happens. We need a new man in charge with fresh ideas.
How come he's still here? He's clearly been voted out!
46 - 14
The 14 being idiots who simply don't get it - though in my defence I thought it would be different this season now we have a few quid.
If you cant drive, giving you money to buy a better car wont help.
New driver needed.
Thanks.
Are we heading for a Wexit in this referendum?
weve mayde pogwess
Not even the money could make me feel different,the club has reached a plateau under Wenger,and the board are happy with there lot.Its the fans and people outside the club that can see we are within touching distance of being able to challenge for the top honor's but we just won't take the action to get there.The club is in a comfort zone plenty of money coming in not too much going out top four every season a cup success here and there,what's there to change,if it's not broke don't fix it seems to be the order of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Who the hell are these fans who turn up to matches and still support Wenger, well I know one is that deluded bloke who is convinced he's the best thing since sliced bread and we're world beaters and only handicapped by bad luck and refereeing, the other is his accountant mate with every excuse under the sun as to why we should be grateful that we're in such a great position, but who are the others?
It is sad to see such an iconic figure for this club descend into a perma-state of myopic incompetence, relative to our aspirations of course. Would have loved to see him bow out with some dignity and respect, but that is fast disappearing as he becomes the subject if ridicule from quite a few quarters now.
It's a damn shame ...but I have no sympathy for the criticism aimed at him now, if he had any decency and respect for this club he would have walked, pleading ignorance and acting oblivious to the bleeding obvious is no longer an excuse for him ...and not forgetting that greedy owner/board of ours.
Let 'em all have it, the fuckers have profiteered off our emotional investment for long enough. Let the proverbial shit hit the fan, and land where it will, and stick.
Just go.
Thought he should have gone a couple of seasons ago and I still want him gone now. My opinion is that Wenger is still too "wedded" in his own principles. From a results only basis I think we could do better with a more pragmatic Manager in charge. I also feel that Wenger isn't using his resources correctly, he has money and isn't spending it in the areas that it needs spending. He is also not making use of his squad efficiently, does he even know his strongest XI and where to play them?
He may think he is right and has the experience in the game to prove people wrong but the fact are that he's made minimal progress in terms of our clubs league position.
Wenger out.
I don't know what would you have people do, having gone to a few games last season I can only remember there being support from the fans directed at Wenger personally and that was the 4-1 game over Newcastle a week after the muppets at Stoke Train station.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
The enthusiasm of the crowd is directed towards the team and yeah frankly there is no sense in going to a game with the intent of being miserable and hectoring.
Where have you been you beautiful man?. I've missed you and your silly remarksQuote:
Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View
GayQuote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The politically correct term is poofterQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I think a lot of us goes to games knowing we're going to be miserable. That's fine if your a Spud or a Newcastle fan but they're not sitting on £200 mill in the bank with a manager who has no idea how to spend it, paying the highest ticket prices in the league, that 10 years ago were being talked about as the best team in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Anyone could manage that team now & get results similar if not better to him. He is simply a very average football manager - whilst he's around we're simply going to be a very average team as the 3 results this season have proved.
Was it you that said that Tony Pulis could do a better job than Wenger?
I'm not pro Wenger by any stretch of the imagination but that is patently ridiculous.
An average manager would not be getting us top four season in, season out. It's not good enough that it appears that it's all he is willing to go for and the board won't pressure him into achieving any more than.
I think Wenger is far too entrenched, stubborn and given too much carte Blanche to do what he thinks is best to get the best from our squad and our financial status.
Henry said on Monday night to counter Gary Neville that it's Wengers belief that the teams he puts together can take on all comers with the quality of their game, the belief overrides common sense.
We aren't Man City, therefore we need someone better than Pellegrini....
Above average then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I don't really know that's true, I think there is generally a positive vibe outside the Emirates on match days rather than the gallows humour attributable to the Geordie fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
I went to the Dortmund game in midweek last November three days after we were beaten at home by United in what was for me one of the most inexcusable fuck ups of Wengers reign, but the atmosphere was electric inside the stadium.
I think Wenger is at the same level as Pellegrini and Van Gaal as they are currently. Van Gaal is actually very similar to Wenger at present in that he is a bit of a dinosaur, can be tactically shown up and is incredibly stubborn and myopic.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
The difference is Van Gaal will probably have gone whilst Wenger is still there at Arsenal.
Was only logical that one of us took a step back and spared the forum of incessant pontification, and wishy washy comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
You shouldn't be so hard on yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View
Your comments were moronic but they weren't wishy washy
Do carry on pretending to be what you aren't, Mr. pseudo intellect.
No forum rule breach in that, tbf.