When was the last time any footballer's wages reflected the "job" they do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
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When was the last time any footballer's wages reflected the "job" they do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
You are not seeing the "invisibles". There`s a lot more to it than meets the eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
That must be why Ozil needs so many holidays - nobody works harder than Mesut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Not for a very long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
No-one's does really, if they did I wouldn't be earning more than a nurse. My job is meaningless compared to theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
But market forces dictate salaries, not logic or reason.
Didn't realise GW admin pays so well tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
:lol: If only.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
I actually have to pay to put up with the nonsense and abuse from you twats <_<
Masochist:. He gets it at home and on GWQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Actually he doesn't get it at home. That's why he's so grouchy here on GW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
and he lives in a dustbin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
#Arsenal are interested in Steven Nzonzi. The player has a €40m release clause and wants to leave this summer. https://t.co/0TpHcQLpUu
Yes please
Any chance of getting some younger players in please?
Yeah would be nice, think we need some younger players in their mids 20s we can build a team with, older players are only going to be around so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Sounds like we're doing both, actually. Experienced players that can make an impact now, mixed in with young players who can grow into the role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I'm happy with older, experienced players with a strong mentality.
Hopefully it'll eradicate Wenger's weak minded mentality from the club and send a bolt through Colney creche.
Football is all about the here and now. Developing young players is a mugs game for managers that like getting sacked.
Or managers that think they cant be sackedQuote:
Originally Posted by The Unaibomber
#AFC | Express say Wilshere has rejected a contract offer from Arsenal.
West Ham along with Everton, Palace, Wolves and Newcastle are said to be interested in him.
Meh
Speaks volumes to his actual level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
No big loss. Ramsey on the other hand though ......
Yeah, sorry Jack - I used to care, but I'm just not fussed anymore. Still too much work to do with him, and I'd rather put the effort (and wages) towards a younger (fitter) player who already knows their role in the side.
Shame - he was outstanding in that breakthrough season, and pretty much carried our midfield after Cesc and Nasri decided they were fucking off, and Song decided he'd rather play as a no.10 for most of every game. Never kicked on from there, though, and at 26 still hasn't made any role in the side his own.
Wheelchair is why I won’t trust any young player again until they prove me otherwise. I had so much faith in him as I’m sure many others did.
It’s all well and good showcasing potential but to actually find some consistency and elevate your game to another level is something different altogether.
I felt that about Walcott and Ox, all potential, never really made it for us. I know Ox moved on when he was younger, can you blame him really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
We've had the same problem with Jack as we've had with a lot of the British lads - he'd rather watch his career fade away, waiting for his preferred role (preferred not best) to become available in his ideal system, rather than adapting to what's actually in front of him.
He should have set his sights on making that deep-lying playmaker role his own, imo - it's arguably the role he was given in his breakthrough season, and he was pretty good at it (even at 19?). Plus he was doing it pre Arteta and Cazorla, so he could have been an established first choice there by now (for club and Country). I'm sure it would have cut down on his injuries too. So many attacking midfielders are making that same switch now, and are proving to be real assets there, especially when it comes to beating the high press and transitioning play...
Walcott and Ox... 2 more players who should have put all their efforts into really learning the winger role - the role that was there for the taking - instead of pining after the CF and CM roles...Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermerree
Wheelchair's career was destroyed by WUMger. Overplayed at a young age and not protected enough. His body is broken.
With Santi gone and Wheelchair looking like he's leaving we'll be in the market for a midfielder. Time to upgrade and bring in someone reliable.
Not fussed about Wilshere, overhyped, overrated, overpaid, glad we'regetting rid, this guy was always injured and was never going to achieve anything, his off the field issues just show the lack of dedication, as someone mentioned the clubs linked with his just shows his level, no top club would go near him.
That's the end of the good times for him, he's had it too good with us, years getting an easy (undeservedly high) payday are over, watch him disappear jut like Walcott has at Everton, been very lucky that he had a manager like Wenger who lacked any kind of ruthless streak and gave certain players chance after chance after chance.
Walcott especially. He was really effective as a wide forward, but clearly wasn't suited to playing centrally. He should have either knuckled down and played out wide, or left much earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
There's fundamentally two types of players, or two types of people. Those who can self motivate and strive to be better and those who need to be guided along. Ox, Theo and Jack all seem to be the latter. Which meant they had no chance whatsoever of realising their potential at Arsenal. Henry, Vieira, these were self motivators - to such an extent they helped create the myth of a certain manager being a leader in developing young talent.
At a young age everyone needs to be guided. We had a manager that didn't do that and the youngsters wasted their talent 1 by 1.
Oh Jack. For all his talent, and I believe he did have a lot of it, he got stuck at a very low level. What a waste.
Maybe he wasn't given the right coaching but he's a professional footballer. In his spare time he should be studying his position, looking at the best CMs and figuring out why he's not as good as them. He obviously didn't bother doing that because he stopped improving a long time ago.
The injuries played a big part too but he can't keep hiding behind that excuse.
It's not a case of lack of effort. They tried and tried for years. They grew up idolising Gerrard and Henry with dreams of paving out similar careers. Both were mature for their age and came from good families with footballing backgrounds. They never went off the rails and started partying too much or stopped paying attention to their fitness. From what I heard, these two were focused on football and I could always see that on the pitch. Never an attitude problem with either. Effort can only get you so far. See Danny Welbeck.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
To look at Wenger's treatment of a player like Lacazette or Perez and see how that can damage confidence but not see similarities in what he did with Walcott and Ox is what I find strange when it comes to Arsenal fans. Early on in their careers, both players would either get left out of major games after a good performance or hooked after 60 minutes despite playing well. That's enough to mess with the confidence of a young player. Then think about the injuries and how that effects the players confidence.
In Theo's case, he had major surgery on both shoulders and that effected his game. He adjusted and spent less time on the ball and focused more on off the ball runs because I don't think his body could take the physical punishment. Or at least I believe that was what he was advised. When you hear Wenger say he has told Theo to study Freddie Ljunberg, along with the ridiculous comparisons to Messi, saying Theo's off the ball movement is better than Messi's, it became clear to me that Wenger was trying to develop Theo into a 'wide forward'. It's a term he's use a lot to describe Theo. He stopped being a winger. I remember Wenger once saying Theo was struggling to score goals and be as effective in attack because he's using a lot of energy tracking back to defend.
When Wenger publicly question Theo's defensive ability, we saw another change in Theo's game where he actually proved he could defend and score goals. That was his last full season for us at Arsenal before being left on the bench and then sold to Everton.
Ox was wise to move on after seeing all this. Wenger wanted to push him to playing as a wing back. Why the heck would you trust him to do that when he can't even develop a natural wingback like Bellerin?
Even Ronaldo needed tutoring and guidanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Fergie turned him into the best player in the world
Then look at our lot.
Wilshere has also been linked to PSG recently and is better than Drinkwater at Chelsea and was linked to City a few years back, so I think it is something of a flawed argument and a little revisionist to marry the medicore clubs he has been linked to recently to his fundamental ability.
He's obviously no angel on or off the field but I don't think his career woes are all on him. Even recently he has been played further forward (Wenger's decision not his) when he clearly operates better deeper from midfield. If he's playing in the wrong part of the pitch its the manager's job to curb that or redirect him. I've always been of that belief. Wenger failed to do that with several highly talented players we've had in midfield.
If he doesn't sign da ting, I will make my peace with it, but Lord knows we already have enough business to get over the line primarily before the world cup starts and Ramsey who people seem to think has had a majestic season has also been far from Mr reliable fitness wise and also hasn't signed a new contract yet.
Linked with Fellaini
Emery OUT
It's a strong link too...being reported everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
I personally don't believe we would be stupid enough to move for him. He's 31 in November, turned down a 140K per week contract extension from United, and would only come here if he is promised first team football, that's why he is leaving United right?
Surely we wouldn't be stupid enough to spunk big wages on him.
Also...I am getting concerned with the amount of older players we are being linked to....
Can't see how it would be possible to support the team if Loobrush was stinking up the shirt. Can't see it happening. Why would we need a mule like him? Where would he playpub? Would he be a chavvy style Plan B, bring him on, batter the ball into the box and pray? Half the fan base would hate the bloke from day one and the other half would eat their sandwiches in silence.
I'd rather have Sanogo back. That was funny, in a way. But Fellaini is no laughing matter.
Jeez, this is across all the papers and almost sounds like a done deal.
Fortunately it's prominent in the Metro so must be fake news. I was getting worried there for a minute.
Naturally, the rumours of Fellaini heading to the Emirates had fans of both United and Arsenal reacting on social media.
One United fan excitedly tweeted: "OH MY GOD IF THIS HAPPENS."
While an Arsenal fan simply posted: "I have bleeding eyes..."
Needless to say, the two sets of supporters had conflicting feelings on the rumours.
It's in the Telegraph that 'Elbows Fellani' is an Arsenal target. If he comes to Arsenal, he won't get away with all that elbowing s==t, he'll be sent off every match he plays. If he comes to Arsenal, I'll sulk or something.
I'm trying to think of a worse signing. And I can't come up with anything.
Some papers are spinning this as the player (sic) trying to get a better deal at Utd by using the Arsenal interest. But why would we be interested in the first place? Sounds like because he's a freebie. I hope that's not the case. And anyway, he wants 6 figures a week so he'd be a bloody expensive benchwarmer. I can only interpret our interest as a willingness to actually play him. In OUR team FFS! Which makes me wonder what style of football we'd be looking to play.