The next manager..

Would prefer Unai Emery over Arteta if anything just for the fact he has some decent managerial experience.

Yep would definitely rather give Emery a go.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

The medical staff appointments, Sven, Raul and the recent firing of the old backroom hangers on has nothing to do with Wenger. If we had kept to Wenger’s vision where we didn’t have a Director of Football and more staff taking on key roles, we’d have been in a much worse state. Wenger has played his part in helping to save money but he’s also been responsible for blowing money. Besides the waste in the transfer window, we missed out on getting £50m-£60m for Sanchez. The wage bill is bloated. We have an ageing squad. Aubameyang, Ozil and Mkhitaryan are 28/29. As seen with Kos, Merts and Santi, their fitness and performances may fall off a cliff once they’ve hit 30. Besides Lacazette, the players in their mid 20s are of questionable quality. Ramsey, Welbeck, Wilshere, Xhaka, Mustafi, Kolasinac, Elneny. None of them are consistent performers and most of them don’t the skillset to be become world class and carry the team. The defence is terrible and the better players are well past their prime.

We’re on shaky territory. Some parts are really good and should appeal to any manager but other areas are bad and it may limit us on who we can attract for the role. I don’t think we can roll out the red carpet for just anyone with experience. Some of the candidates available aren’t that great and represent as much as a risk as someone with little experience, like Arteta.

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Yep, that's how I see it too PnG.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Yep would definitely rather give Emery a go.

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Me too.

Emery seems solid! I bet he's in London to see Chelsea!

If Emery was onboard with the Neymar bullshit and couldn't see what that ultra fraud was doing then that's a big tick in the avoid column. I don't think he did that great a job at PSG, at least nothing beyond the minimum expectations and we've had enough of that already. He seemed more effective at Sevilla, a smaller club. He was never on my own list because he's already had his big move, an endless budget and IMO he hit his ceiling.

I still don't know why certain individuals were never really considered. Conte. Jardim. Simeone. Maybe Simeone is out of reach but the other two are surely getable?

I’m ok with taking a chance on Arteta. But my number one preference by a country mile is Conte.

He’s done it in the PL, has incredible tactical nous and is just the guy to give our weak little flowers the kick up the ass they clearly need.

He’s a winner and he’s won it in our league and he started his march to the title after he faced a 45 minute spanking against us.

Thankfully the Chelsea hierarchy did everything they could to fuck him up this season.

And he still walked away with the FA Cup.

He is a must get.

We won’t get him.

Second thoughts on Emery. I hear he's a bottle job. Looking closer into his record, that does seem to be the case. Just seen an article about him not winning a single away game with Sevilla.

NQ might be right about this one. I

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

Just seen an article about him not winning a single away game with Sevilla.

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Is that true? In 3 years?

Emery is not for me I'm afraid.

Nor Conte, He won the PL in his first season but he hasn't done anything of note over the course of a season except win the FA cup.

Even Wenger managed that.

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Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang

Emery is not for me I'm afraid.

Nor Conte, He won the PL in his first season but he hasn't done anything of note over the course of a season except win the FA cup.

Even Wenger managed that.

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He won the league here 12 months ago and that means he's more qualified than most of the candidates regardless of what happened this season.

I'd hire Conte in a heartbeat.

Hes a good tactician and his teams play good attacking football at pace, he won 3 Europa league titles and made Seville a force again. His record in the CL wasnt too good but then again he came up against Barca and Real Madrid...

Id rather him than Arteta TBH, he at least has managerial experience and a really good CV.

Arteta is asking for more control over transfers apparently and doesnt want to be Gazidis' puppet, which is good.

not keen on conte - he seems a bit of a ******* and the way he got rid of there 2nd best player was poor despite costa being costa. plus he is complaining Chelsea don't invest enough.... not sure arsenal are going to invest anymore money.

with Arteta - if things go wrong who will be the fall guy. probably the manager despite by the looks of it having no control of signings.

arsenal have the chance to get the fan base really excited about whats happening next but instead of people are relieved its not Wenger that's in charge.

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Originally Posted by GP

Is that true? In 3 years?

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2015-16 season not a single away win. 9 draws and 10 losses.

I dont want either.

We let the best two managers slip through our fingers in Allegri and Enrique.

Emeri works for me, he's experienced and PSG played some great stuff under him (they played us off the park and should have beaten us convincingly). Just as long as it isn't Arteta who I just don't want in charge, Ozil is supposedly not keen on him either, the thought of having some nobody with no experience in charge is too much for me.

He's not my 1st choice, but then Simeone, Jardim and Allegri aren't happening (Simeone would have been my first choice) so that doesn't leave too many options, Conte is a no go for me, I agree with the comments about him allowing his best striker to leave being a shocker, effectively he sabotaged his own season as Costa was a key player for Chelsea, spending 70 million on Morata who is awful was also a very poor decision. Just not convinced with Conte, seems to let his emotions overshadow logic and that's cost Chelsea, you need someone more level headed who won't make decisions based on how much he likes a player.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Emeri works for me

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Really, doing what?







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Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang

Really, doing what?







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WUM consultant?

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Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang

I dont want either.

We let the best two managers slip through our fingers in Allegri and Enrique.

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The trouble with those guys is that they'd probably need Manchester levels of money and we obviously can't provide that.

We've set our stall out with the structure and "head coach" kind of role so we just have to go with it now. Not everyone will work under that umbrella and that's why we haven't heard of more established names being in the running.

West Ham have just signed Pellegrini...more or less. Everton may pick up Silva...both quality managers. We on the other hand...the guy on a work experience programme who may not yet have all his coaching badges. You just couldnt make it up.....On the bright side...Wenger is gone.

Sing with me..."Always look on the bright side of life"!

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

West Ham have just signed Pellegrini...more or less. Everton may pick up Silva...both quality managers. We on the other hand...the guy on a work experience programme who may not yet have all his coaching badges. You just couldnt make it up.....On the bright side...Wenger is gone.

Sing with me..."Always look on the bright side of life"!

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This club makes me laugh, we sit there putting up with Wenger for years and the minute we get rid of him, we then go after a total nobody, who has no reputation as manager and never had any kind of reputation as a player either. I do wonder about the people running this club sometimes.

Arteta is a strange choice for anyone, I could understand it more if he was a former great (wouldn't be my choice obviously), as you hope their reputation motivates players to achieve great things (I know it doesn't always pan out that way), but this guy, really? There's enough supposedly decent assistant managers who have totally flopped to steer you away from someone like him, especially with the level of changes needed and the pressure.

Just because Gazidis finally moved Wenger on (after years of failing to do anything about him and actually supporting him) doesn't mean he's proved himself to me, choosing Arteta would be another poor decision in a long line of them by him.

I know we signed Mikhi and Auba in January, Auba is obviously a very good signing, though his age means he probably has a limited time left at the top, Mikhi hasn't done a lot and is also in his late 20s, hardly the recipe for building a team with longer term success in mind, yes it wasn't a bad January after years of poor transfer windows, but that in itself doesn't prove to me that we've turned the corner.

In addition, if we knew we'd be moving Wenger on, it might have been better to save the money in January for the new manager, particularly if this 50 million budget is true (I hope it isn't), I'm happy we signed Aubameyang of course, but giving a new manager 50 million to rebuild a team that were so poor last season just isn't enough, especially given the prices of players these days.

Don't get me wrong I'm over the moon Wenger has gone, but this was a great opportunity to build, just like Liverpool are, instead we seem to be looking for some sort of pet project to replace Wenger, which IMO is just odd, especially given how angry the fans were.

I dont even think Arteta is the named assistant manager. He is just one of the backroom staff. If appointed, the only other novice with greater responsibility would be Trump.

I'd rather have Wenger than Pellegrini tbf.

Arteta works for me. Based purely on a hunch (which is probably as much as our board are going on). If we can't have the experienced first choices on the list, or can't afford them, and we can't have my preferred choices who never made it to the list that leaves Arteta as my number one pick. Like I said, based purely on a hunch. I like the whole ide aof just going with it to see what happens. I figure we have a freebie season anyway, considering the alternative was to let Wenger stay.

Wenger has officially left the building. Cleared his desk today and he's driven away for the last time.

It's happened.

Supposedly the club now falls to pieces.

I don't think so though.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Wenger has officially left the building. Cleared his desk today and he's driven away for the last time.

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Who?

Fairly undignified scenes of Ty trying to scramble through Wenger's car window. Xhaka is in the boot. Welbeck is up front.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I'd rather have Wenger than Pellegrini tbf.

Arteta works for me. Based purely on a hunch (which is probably as much as our board are going on). If we can't have the experienced first choices on the list, or can't afford them, and we can't have my preferred choices who never made it to the list that leaves Arteta as my number one pick. Like I said, based purely on a hunch. I like the whole ide aof just going with it to see what happens. I figure we have a freebie season anyway, considering the alternative was to let Wenger stay.

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Dont know what you have against Pellegrini. He did well with City and they played much better football under him than with Pep. He also is not so skewed in his analysing of things that he thinks Jesus is a better striker than Aguero.
He will have Werst Ham bubbling next season, mark my words. If we appoint Tets, then the hammers will be another team that finishes above us, Everton too. I dont see why we Arsenal fans have to see the absolute nadir before things get better.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Dont know what you have against Pellegrini. He did well with City and they played much better football under him than with Pep. He also is not so skewed in his analysing of things that he thinks Jesus is a better striker than Aguero.
He will have Werst Ham bubbling next season, mark my words. If we appoint Tets, then the hammers will be another team that finishes above us, Everton too. I dont see why we Arsenal fans have to see the absolute nadir before things get better.

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Good in his first season, won it in fact. But downhill from there. And grey and tired by the end of season 3. He'd be okay, but just okay. We'd need to be looking for a new manager pretty quickly I think. So I prefer the idea of a younger coach on the way up, rather than a guy who has already come down. And he'll be managing West Ham. That, in itself, says a lot.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Dont know what you have against Pellegrini. He did well with City and they played much better football under him than with Pep. He also is not so skewed in his analysing of things that he thinks Jesus is a better striker than Aguero.
He will have Werst Ham bubbling next season, mark my words. If we appoint Tets, then the hammers will be another team that finishes above us, Everton too. I dont see why we Arsenal fans have to see the absolute nadir before things get better.

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I will genuinely bet you any amount of money you want to bet that that will not happen.

Seem to be making a right ruddy hames of all this in typical Arsenal fashion

Sounds like it's Emery.

emery it is then.

He is awful...


But I like him.

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I can get behind that. Arteta...dodged a bullet with that one

If Arteta was supposedly the "safe, unambitious" choice because of his inexperience, then this is certainly the middle-of-the-road appointment that's neither completely terrible nor terribly exciting.

I'm not going to be obnoxiously negative and judge the guy before he's had a chance to do something, but this all seems like the compromise option that people thought Arteta was. Allegri/Enrique unavailable or too expensive. Arteta/Nagelsman too much of a risk. At least a risk is exciting, but this initially just feels underwhelming.

If we're aiming for Europa League glory, then he fits the bill. A look at his league form would give cause for concern though. Even at PSG with the overwhelming advantage of one of the most expensive teams ever assembled, he lost out to Monaco last season. And they haven't improved in the CL either.

And considering his English is not as fluent as other candidates, why not opt for Jardim who also has problems with the language but a recent track record with vastly improving players?

After all the recent changes at the club, it seemed as if the structure was in place for something genuinely new and potentially innovative. But whether it's because of clashing ideas, budget restrictions or panic, it all appears to have amounted to another opportunistic Arsenal transaction rather than a brave one.

I'd love for people to laugh at me in future for doubting this appointment after he's become another managerial legend, but at the moment it's all a bit beige/vanilla/meh.

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Originally Posted by GP

He is awful...


But I like him.

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That's brilliant!

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

If Arteta was supposedly the "safe, unambitious" choice because of his inexperience, then this is certainly the middle-of-the-road appointment that's neither completely terrible nor terribly exciting.

I'm not going to be obnoxiously negative and judge the guy before he's had a chance to do something, but this all seems like the compromise option that people thought Arteta was. Allegri/Enrique unavailable or too expensive. Arteta/Nagelsman too much of a risk. At least a risk is exciting, but this initially just feels underwhelming.

If we're aiming for Europa League glory, then he fits the bill. A look at his league form would give cause for concern though. Even at PSG with the overwhelming advantage of one of the most expensive teams ever assembled, he lost out to Monaco last season. And they haven't improved in the CL either.

And considering his English is not as fluent as other candidates, why not opt for Jardim who also has problems with the language but a recent track record with vastly improving players?

After all the recent changes at the club, it seemed as if the structure was in place for something genuinely new and potentially innovative. But whether it's because of clashing ideas, budget restrictions or panic, it all appears to have amounted to another opportunistic Arsenal transaction rather than a brave one.

I'd love for people to laugh at me in future for doubting this appointment after he's become another managerial legend, but at the moment it's all a bit beige/vanilla/meh.

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Great post.

It is a bit meh but he's clearly decent coach so all we can do is hope he can get his ideas across and inspire the players.

Ah GP beat me to the Emery quotes lol

Shame. I had grown used to the idea of a coach rather than a manager. I still think that's the way we should have gone. A complete break from the past. A totally new set up. This seems to tip things back in favour of the managerial role.

Still, he's got to be given a chance. We'll know soon enough.

Might make the transfer window a little more interesting I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Master Splinter

If Arteta was supposedly the "safe, unambitious" choice because of his inexperience, then this is certainly the middle-of-the-road appointment that's neither completely terrible nor terribly exciting.

I'm not going to be obnoxiously negative and judge the guy before he's had a chance to do something, but this all seems like the compromise option that people thought Arteta was. Allegri/Enrique unavailable or too expensive. Arteta/Nagelsman too much of a risk. At least a risk is exciting, but this initially just feels underwhelming.

If we're aiming for Europa League glory, then he fits the bill. A look at his league form would give cause for concern though. Even at PSG with the overwhelming advantage of one of the most expensive teams ever assembled, he lost out to Monaco last season. And they haven't improved in the CL either.

And considering his English is not as fluent as other candidates, why not opt for Jardim who also has problems with the language but a recent track record with vastly improving players?

After all the recent changes at the club, it seemed as if the structure was in place for something genuinely new and potentially innovative. But whether it's because of clashing ideas, budget restrictions or panic, it all appears to have amounted to another opportunistic Arsenal transaction rather than a brave one.

I'd love for people to laugh at me in future for doubting this appointment after he's become another managerial legend, but at the moment it's all a bit beige/vanilla/meh.

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Yep, I feel very meh at this news :shrug: