Wenger Out ?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

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I'm surprised by you. Last year you were at total odds with the way the club was being run and especially critical of Gazidis and Kronke. At least your now starting to see that they're doing what's required. Wenger has constantly made noise about funding in the football and they've done all they can to help provide the funds. The ball is now in his court.

We've had this sort of debate before and I did say it makes sense for the Board to be more cautious with our funds and pushing out the boat because they have a long term goal with this stadium move. Stability and consistency helps them forecast. You were pretty critical of me when I defended their approach and could understand why they're so cautious. Where we differ is, I put the onus on Wenger to push for silverware because he's the manager and motivations should be in line with the athletes. Winning as much as possible and taking home the silverware should be what drives him and I don't expect the Board to have to drive that message home to him.

It's not impossible to win the FA cup and secure a CL qualification place. I'm not sure why you'd argue otherwise when you know how important it is for us to break this mental block. The FA Cup is still a cup. I completely understand your point about this being a crucial moment and it may sound premature to want rid of Wenger but if we now have the financial backing and seem more secure financially, I don't think that strengthens Wenger's position at the club. It will be sad if he doesn't get to enjoy the fruits of his labour but he needs to help himself. If he were to walk now, I wouldn't be in a major panic because we now have the funds for a new manager to build a better squad.

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The criticism was based on what went before, not what has happened since. I still firmly believe those rancid old buffers robbed the club blind when they sold out. When you see that sort of track record you then need to see some evidence the promises of cake later are believable. Ozil is a signature of their intent from what I can see so maybe we do have a new approach. Not saying they won't be in it for the money, but at least they haven't sliced a huge chunk out of the club like the last lot.

Yes of course Wenger needs to push. His job has been to keep us in the CL but if he can do more than that then he should. I don't mind winning the FA Cup. It'll be great on the day but it's no real measurement of anything much and I'm not sure a cup win will play a factor in the big Euro games next season or a shot at the title. I think media people like to make that sort of shit up to fill a few more columns. What I'd really like to see is for us to go to Germany and lay into Bayern big time. We were bloody unlucky in the first leg, we stood a great chance of winning that given the way we approached the game. That's what affects things more than FA Cups IMO, the attitude Wenger has going into the game. Is it positive or is it negative. We do quite well when he lets the players go for it. We are gambling when we play negative stuff because we just aren't that good at it. Wenger has dropped into negative mode over the last couple of months and I don't think he needed to. I think he worries too much about who will be fit, who has run how far, who will be 2% away from fitness. Half the players are injured most of the time anyway so a hell of a lot of his planning must go out the window. Just play the best 11 and tell them to attack. Then again, measured across the season he's been right more times than wrong.

Some of the shit he does bugs the hell out of me too but I don't like to see some of the fans turn on him in such a violent way. I think just about all of us have said it wouldn't be a disaster if he went. But on proper terms, not with fans, some of whom have been around a whole 5 minutes, jeering him out the door. But you are right, now we have finances his job gets twice as hard. We'll know within a season if he's up to it but surely he has to be given at least that long?

The other point is, when people say Wenger out they may not realise that out could well mean up and even more control. From their point of view they had better be careful what they wish for.

The FA cup is not worthless, far from it. To get to the final you have to beat at least 3 top PL sides (we've beaten two already) and really produce the goods in the final as well.

The CC though, that can be seen as second rate.

Don't get me wrong. I want us to win the FA Cup. I think this team, especially the players who have long forgotten what it is like to actually win something, need it.

However, lets not go into pretending that this is some kind of prestigious competition any longer. It isn't. It hasn't been for a long time now. If you think it is, you are the one buying into the hype - not that there is a great deal of hype around it any longer.

In fact, in this hype fuelled age, where everything is built up to the greatest and most anticipated event of all time, the FA Cup is pretty much unique in that the hype surrounding it is much less than it has been in the past, such has been its decline in prestige.

The FA cup was much better in 92/93

It was so good, they played it twice.

Linighan :bow:

Thoroughly enjoyable.

I was watching some oldish (2002-04) arsenal highlights on youtube last night, and wondering why Wenger would change the way his team played. He used to have a couple of big centre mids (Petit, Vieira, Gilberto, Edu), goal scoring wide midfielders (Overmars, Pires, Ljungberg, Wiltord) and two strikers up front (Wright, Bergkamp, Anelka, Henry, Kanu) why oh why change that formula.

Football in general has changed. No one really plays 4-4-2 anymore and often pack the midfield. You're right in that the overall quality of the squad has declined but you've named some of the best players in our history. It's not easy to maintain that level.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Football in general has changed. No one really plays 4-4-2 anymore and often pack the midfield. You're right in that the overall quality of the squad has declined but you've named some of the best players in our history. It's not easy to maintain that level.

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true football has changed but i think if you have the right players any system will work. they are some of the best players have ever had and to have them in the same team was incredible.

with regards wenger out, he will be offered a new contract and he wont be sacked as i bet the board will have seen what happened at united with moyes and think better the devil you know and perhaps 4th place aint so bad with the cash. wenger will only leave when he wants to call it a day.

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Originally Posted by Bumble

true football has changed but i think if you have the right players any system will work. they are some of the best players have ever had and to have them in the same team was incredible.

with regards wenger out, he will be offered a new contract and he wont be sacked as i bet the board will have seen what happened at united with moyes and think better the devil you know and perhaps 4th place aint so bad with the cash. wenger will only leave when he wants to call it a day.

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I sincerely hope you are wrong.