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New England Sports Ventures are an interesting company. Until they bought Liverpool, its main claim to fame was ownership of the Boston Red Socks. It also owns the stadium the Red Socks play in and a sports TV channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
Right now, the Red Socks have the third highest total payroll (after the Yankees and Phillies), and the highest average player salary $162 million and $5.9 million p.a., respectively.
Wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
With even highschool-level analysis you can separate the red-herrings from his actual statements.
Everyone knows he hasn't got 100 million to spend!
And there is evidence to show that, even when the money is there he has to be pushed to do so!
That is what most of the debate here has been about. There is a balance to be had!
If you want to look at his actions instead of words, look at how he's weakened our team in most transfer windows over the last few years; how his team continually makes the same basic errors it made at the start of our youth project; how his players don't seem to improve but rather regress without any consequence; and then try to argue about him being held back by finance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
Not sure why there is a 10 page argument over Wenger has had nothing to spend or not when it's not really the issue that's holding us back.
So now you're telling what my own point was?Quote:
Originally Posted by budesonide
Impressive.
No, Iam not, boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
All i am saying is, you missed the point in the first instance. No one did. So the reply you posted earlier was in fact not the issue at all -- it was infact not even evidence of contradiction on wenger's part. If anything, it was just more evidence of the strawmen and red-herrings characteristc of wenger's all or nothing philosophy. :tiphat:
you're pretty desperate to make your point, what with all the bolds, underlines and caps i keep seeing. obviously means a lot to get your point across.Quote:
Originally Posted by budesonide
putting that quote back into context wasnt in response to any question, just providing the full quote. i'd seen it used a few times on here used to suggest wenger doesnt want to spend anything, ever.
Let me break it down for you mate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
That quote that wenger won't spend 100mill if it was given to him which as been used in this thread is valid! Why?
1) the context you provided SHOWED that wenger threw in a STRAWMAN and not answer the question honestly. How?
2). he was asked a simple hypothetical question! What will you do (as a football manager) if you were given a 100million?
He responds by saying he will give it back BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T WANT TO BANKRUPT YOUR CLUB.
3). What did that question had to do with bankruptcy? Nothing! Except Wenger automatically assumes that spending 100million is too excessive and will bankrupt a club!
4). Was Danny stupid enough to ask him that question knowing the hypothetical club that is giving the said 100mill are not in any position to do so? I don't think so.
5) No sensible manager will say to their director "hey, I will spend that money lavishly and so what if your club goes bankrupt!" No manager would say or do that UNLESS they are forced to ala man city and chelsea.
So you see, in fact, wenger will give the money back because fundamentally HE DOES NOT BELIEVE in big spending to manage a club. In fact, as my sig shows, HE IS TOO CAUTIOUS.
:tiphat:
as for being desperate to get my point across -- let me just say, it is a debate section and if i have to stress and repeat blatant facts unconventionally amidst clear and repeated falsehoods then so be it.
I watched the AST meeting and this is what I gathered. AKBapologist has missed a lot and Gazidis was stressing a different point.
This quote has been misrepresented. For starters, the point in bold shows that Wenger is involved with the transfers and people can't keep making excuses for him as if when negotiations are taking place, he's out of the loop or off on holiday. The valuation of the player, how much of a priority it is to sign that player for that position is all discussed. That's what Gazidis was getting at when talking. At the meeting, a fan suggested Wenger shouldn't be involved in the negotiations because he ignores the market value of players and it's why we end up signing no one in most cases. He also said that the fans pay the going market rate for season tickets at Arsenal and have no choice but to pay, we can't dictate the price. Wenger should do the same and bite the bullet when it comes to transfers.Quote:
Ivan Gladis from the AST interview. "...Removing the manager from the financial aspects to me doesn't make a lot of sense because you have to discuss the worth of a player, and as I've said, everything is about efficiency when you have a limited spend, so you need to prioritise where your going to spend your money and how much an individual player is worth, so it's very difficult for me to imagine having a manager that says 'now that's the player I want now go get him' and you make up what you think the price is - there has to be a dialogue with the manger."
Gazidis replied with the above quote and also came back with an example. If Wenger had his eyes on a specific player and Gazidis went out and spent the whole budget on this one player, Wenger wouldn't be happy because there are other players we'd need to sign and budget for.
Can you see the problem? In most cases, we don't spend all the money and don't sign players. He did say we have money left over from unused resources. He also said it's up to Wenger to identify the key areas that need work and to set the priority on who to spend on, what position and how much. That makes sense and we shouldn't have a club where board members make decisions on who we buy. We have limits of course. We have to budget. But as seen with the goalkeeping situation at the start of the season, Wenger wouldn't budge on a couple of million because he didn't think it was worth it and the position wasn't a priority because he had faith in Almunia, Fabianski and Schezney. He won't be desperate to make certain signings if he believes we already have the quality in the club and that relates back to his quotes about signing 'super quality' players and killing talent.
When going for Alonso, I believe he had Whilshere and Ramsey in the back of his mind. It's no secret. We know his feelings on 'killing' talent and this is why we're not as active as we should be in the window. He could be thinking of Young Jack and Rambo now as we discuss Cesc and Nasri's futures. He did test them both out during the end of the season.
We all know we don't have unlimited resources and we've never thrown our hat in the ring to bid for players that would cost a fortune. Last winter, guys like Babel, Sessegnon, Steven Pienaar, Makoun, Sidwell, Curtis Davis went to other clubs for less than £10m. Snta Cruz, Ireland and Martins went to other clubs on loan. But the problem is, Wenger has too much faith in his current crop. I hope that changes this summer.
I find, that in the final summation, I cannot give any modicum of fuck whatsoever.