Match Reaction vs Stoke (away).

I find it hugely ironic how Lineker, of all people, is defending Wenger. It's because of his ridiculous stunt at the end of that edition of MOTD that our manager is the subject of such diatribe from opposing fans (case in point- the Stoke City Neanderthals giving it the "let's all do the Wenger".on countless occasions)

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Wenger has always said he'd leave if he didn't feel he could contribute any more to the club. But the problem is his role extends far beyond what happens on the pitch. So when he scrapes 4th and the cash registers ring up another £30mill, in light of his extended role, he's contributed so he doesn't leave. Our next manager needs a much more clearly defined role that is focused 100% on the team and nothing else. We're in this shit because Wenger has about 15 jobs at the club, a by-product of a crappy board who invested nothing, contributed nothing and happily handed over their responsibilities to one man. If that man then becomes the weak link you're fucked. The board will need to find it's balls (somehow) to dig us out of this before 2017. Somebody needs to step up. We have Silent Stan, Ivan and the old school tie brigade. I don't hold out much hope. It's pretty grim to be in a position where failing to qualify for the CL might be the only thing that can break the cycle. But if we drop out of that elite circle then we might have a hell of a time getting back into it considering half our badge kissers will probably want to fuck off.

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Yeah I am totally with you. Another issue is that Wenger's idea of contributing/delivering and the general fans idea of him contributing/delivering are two different things. Wenger sets his own goals and if he meets them then we are all expected to be satisfied.

He still hides behind "Chelsea" and money, he recently used that excuse when they beat us 2-0.

I do think a lot of his roles and responsibilities outside of managing the football team have been taken away from him over the past few years which is a good thing, the problem is like you stated he is not been held to task/accountable for his performance as Football Manager. We have absolutely nobody on the board who calls out his performance and I don't see that changing anytime soon. In fact the likes of Keswick and Gazidis just make comments such as "We have absolute faith in Arsene when it comes to the Technical side of Managing the team, Arsene is the expert in this area". That's all we hear...

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Originally Posted by Ernesto

I find it hugely ironic how Lineker, of all people, is defending Wenger. It's because of his ridiculous stunt at the end of that edition of MOTD that our manager is the subject of such diatribe from opposing fans (case in point- the Stoke City Neanderthals giving it the "let's all do the Wenger".on countless occasions)

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Its a well known fact that Spuds would all love us to keep Wenger. If he stays another 10 years, The mighty Spurs will eventually stumble on a manager who can elevate them above us.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Nobody here is absolving the board for Wengers lunacy

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There are people saying that Wenger is ENTIRELY to blame, so yes they are.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

You are always fond of the Hitler analogy so I will ask you this
Do you blame the people of Germany for not getting rid of Hitler?.
for the pogrom of the jews , who do you blame. Hitler or the voting public of Germany

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That's a bloody terrible analogy. The German people didn't have the power to remove Hitler any more than we have the power right now to remove our government. We have an opportunity to next May of course but even then it's a collective decision in which, with FPTP, most people won't get what they want.
The Arsenal board have the power to remove Wenger any time they choose.

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Do you blame the people of Germany for not getting rid of Hitler?.
for the pogrom of the jews , who do you blame. Hitler or the voting public of Germany

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That's an easy one. The British, Dutch and American banks were the main culprits, the German people second, Hitler third.

Or: The fans, the board, Wenger.

If you don't fund and follow a dictator then the dictator is just some ridiculous guy stomping around.

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Originally Posted by Letters

There are people saying that Wenger is ENTIRELY to blame, so yes they are.

That's a bloody terrible analogy. The German people didn't have the power to remove Hitler any more than we have the power right now to remove our government. We have an opportunity to next May of course but even then it's a collective decision in which, with FPTP, most people won't get what they want.
The Arsenal board have the power to remove Wenger any time they choose.

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The board do not select the team or buy the players. Do not wait until the 70th minute to make changes and dont neglect glaring holes in the squad

I compared the situation to Hitler because you are wont to use the analogy whenever Wenger is being criticised here.

The analogy you need to see is that this board is as helpless as the German people. They have the power but are scared stiff of using it.

In the UK you have a funny sort of democracy that doesn't allow you to vote out unpopular prime ministers because all they need to do is win in Grantham or wherever

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

The board do not select the team or buy the players. Do not wait until the 70th minute to make changes and dont neglect glaring holes in the squad

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No, but they continue to employ the man who does and that is entirely in their control.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

I compared the situation to Hitler because you are wont to use the analogy whenever Wenger is being criticised here.

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I literally can't remember ever doing that, but even if I have occasioanlly I certainly don't do it 'whenever' Wenger is criticised :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Letters

No, but they continue to employ the man who does and that is entirely in their control.



I literally can't remember ever doing that, but even if I have occasioanlly I certainly don't do it 'whenever' Wenger is criticised :unsure:

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Yoiu should be too young to have systemic memory loss. You cant remember sarcastically saying on a recent match thread that Wenger " the worst person in history since Hitler"

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Originally Posted by Letters

No, but they continue to employ the man who does and that is entirely in their control.



I literally can't remember ever doing that, but even if I have occasioanlly I certainly don't do it 'whenever' Wenger is criticised :unsure:

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Will you forgive Wenger if he says sorry though...

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Yoiu should be too young to have systemic memory loss. You cant remember sarcastically saying on a recent match thread that Wenger " the worst person in history since Hitler"

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:lol: Wwwetters is a lost cause. Poor soul.