Arsenal v Liverpool. Sunday 27th Oct. 16:30

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Originally Posted by Mac76

And yet after nine games they're one point off Citeh with a better GD, wierd isn't it?

Read my post again, I think Slot's more measured approach is a good way of maintaining a title challenge, rather than them running out of steam like they did last season and IIRC the season before

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They ran out of steam because they weren’t good enough, and they are 1 point behind City because they’ve had ridiculously easy fixtures up until Sunday.

That they were even contenders at all is testament to what an excellent coach Klopp was


If Klopp had managed us I genuinely believe we’d have won the title both last season and the season before. Even with the same players

What I’ve seen of Liverpool so far, they dominate chances against teams that they should be beating, then they run out of ideas panic a bit and try to shut up shop…which was a bit like us Sunday


The difference is they haven’t yet had an opponent that will punish them for that.


Honestly I don’t know if this is just a case of you holding on to a prediction you made earlier in the season that seemed to be from panic, but and this is not even my words here it’s the words of articles I’ve seen written about Liverpool describes them as Pedestrian.

This to me is your footballing equivalent of the Trump assassination attempt was staged

For all Van Dijk’s post match bluster, they know full well they were extremely lucky to walk away with a point Sunday. Frankly they were fortunate to get a win against Chelsea.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

They ran out of steam because they weren’t good enough

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If beign #'not good enough to beat Citeh on full form then yes probbaly, but you have to look at other factors - a lot of commetnators said Klopp's heavy metal football meant they ran out of steam

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

That they were even contenders at all is testament to what an excellent coach Klopp was

If Klopp had managed us I genuinely believe we’d have won the title both last season and the season before. Even with the same players
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Agreed, but none of that means Slot can't do it

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

What I’ve seen of Liverpool so far, they dominate chances against teams that they should be beating, then they run out of ideas panic a bit and try to shut up shop…which was a bit like us Sunday

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I don't think any team has played to its best yet or been completely dominant, the league is about beating pretty much everyone - if we'd had a different start and were on or near top then I'd say we had a chance but Liverpool are playing well and i think we will drop points in at least of the next two league games

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

it’s the words of articles I’ve seen written about Liverpool describes them as Pedestrian.

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you're always quick to dismiss it when other posters fall back on what other people say

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Honestly I don’t know if this is just a case of you holding on to a prediction you made earlier in the season that seemed to be from panic

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No I just think it's odd that a team which has a lot of very talanted players and is generally beating everyone put in front of them is somehow deemed not to have a chance and yet for all your criticism of Arteta you think we will finish above them

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Originally Posted by Mac76

If beign #'not good enough to beat Citeh on full form then yes probbaly, but you have to look at other factors - a lot of commetnators said Klopp's heavy metal football meant they ran out of steam



Agreed, but none of that means Slot can't do it




I don't think any team has played to its best yet or been completely dominant, the league is about beating pretty much everyone - if we'd had a different start and were on or near top then I'd say we had a chance but Liverpool are playing well and i think we will drop points in at least of the next two league games



you're always quick to dismiss it when other posters fall back on what other people say




No I just think it's odd that a team which has a lot of very talanted players and is generally beating everyone put in front of them is somehow deemed not to have a chance and yet for all your criticism of Arteta you think we will finish above them

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I’ve stated the reason why I think we should finish above them, because even with the drag factor of Arteta our players are better than theirs

You talk about the array of talent in their squad and I’m telling you I don’t see it. Gravenberch, MacAllister, The Hungarian in midfield are vastly inferior to Rice, Partey and Odegaard


It’s how it goes usually, the team with the better players finishes in the higher position


Even with two recently ropey performances we are in a good position despite having had far harder games (if Liverpool get seven points from Villa, Spurs and City away maybe I can conclude that there’s something there that’s clearly not obvious, but I doubt they will)

I think Forest showed the blue print for beating them…that didn’t look to me like an aberration. Liverpool were bereft of ideas after shooting their bolt in the first half.

Even our resident Liverpool fan on here is largely waiting for the other shoe to drop

It’s not a mystery, we have been a better side than Liverpool for over two years now.

They lost players like Mane, Firminho, Wijnaldum and Fabinho and the players they’ve been able to bring in to replace them are not as good

And players like Van Dijk and Salah as is understandable as they get older are whilst still top players, not quite as good as they were three-four years ago

For what it's worth I don't think we're anywhere near as bad as you think we are, but not as good as Mac thinks we are (I love to see it so carry on!). Though tbf I don't think you're as good as you think you are, nor as bad as Mac thinks you/Arteta are. I think you'll finish above us, but I don't think it'll be a yawning chasm; I think a lot will come down to injuries, on both sides.

I think we will revert to the mean at some point, in no small part down to Jota being out until after the next international break, which is the Istoree of Jota unfortunately.

On the game, tbh, I didn't really watch it so can't really comment. By all accounts you battered us first half and didn't take advantage, second half we maybe should have taken advantage of your back line. And didn't. I think we're happier with the point than you are, but you can make arguments either way given injuries etc. I think the referees calls were much of a muchness.

City will probably win it. And on we go.


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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Gravenberch, MacAllister, The Hungarian in midfield are vastly inferior to Rice, Partey and Odegaard

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The same Partey you were furious about being selected for RB and then had what was generally agreed to be a very good game?

I am not saying we don't have better players overall - I think we do - but that's where your 'drag factor' comes in and it's greater than you think

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Originally Posted by Mac76

The same Partey you were furious about being selected for RB and then had what was generally agreed to be a very good game?

I am not saying we don't have better players overall - I think we do - but that's where your 'drag factor' comes in and it's greater than you think

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Yes the key to my annoyance being played at right back, I don’t believe he should play there. And I suspect had he played in midfield…we would have had more control of the game in the middle of the park.

The drag factor hasn’t been enough to see us finish behind Liverpool in the last two seasons. But yet you think it will this season under this rather interesting belief that this Dutch guy will prove to be a better coach than Jurgen Klopp (it’s certainly not a claim lacking ambition :lol:)

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Originally Posted by Shaqiri Is Boss

City will probably win it. And on we go.

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Pretty much :shrug:

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

Yes the key to my annoyance being played at right back, I don’t believe he should play there. And I suspect had he played in midfield…we would have had more control of the game in the middle of the park.

The drag factor hasn’t been enough to see us finish behind Liverpool in the last two seasons. But yet you think it will this season under this rather interesting belief that this Dutch guy will prove to be a better coach than Jurgen Klopp (it’s certainly not a claim lacking ambition :lol:)

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I have no idea how the league will finish but nor does anyone else, so I can make my predictions as much as anyone else.

And you're as usual distorting what I'm saying - Slot doesn't have to be better than Klopp or even as good, if Citeh are a little off the boil that could still be enough

I'm saying that with the start we've had, our lack of striking depth and Arteta's caution i don't think we finish above third although - wait for it - I could be wrong... :faint:

I think Shaqiri's take is pretty good, though I'm not quite as down on the team or Artete as all that, I think Arteta has done some great things, signing some great players and bonding the team and also the fans, but IMO his caution and lack of experience is now costing us

I think that even without the injuries and sendings off we maybe still lack goals and with a dodgier defence (even with Saliba and Gabriel) I think we'll need more goals than last season, but I don't see where they're coming from

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Originally Posted by Letters

Pretty much :shrug:

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