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Has he signed a lifelong contract with Liverpool? When you come to the end of the agreement you’re free to move on. He might not like living in Liverpool, whatever the reason, he’s free to move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We’ve just heard what Sanchez has had to say about our season. He thinks we’ve underachieved this season. Say he feels that way throughout his contract with us and we’ve done little to address our flaws that keep us from achieving more? Does he sign a new contract or choose to move on? He chooses to move on to a Bayern, Real Madrid or another club that can win the league and CL, does that negate his recent comments and we then just resort back to the ‘greedy player’ rhetoric?
Sterling is 20, isn't nearly as good as the hype merchants are making out, played shit all season but is still a key player for a club that gave him his big break. As an individual he stinks. You don't hear him talking about Liverpool and pushing on to achieve something with them, which is what Alexis is saying in relation to Arsenal. These two players are poles apart and there's zero comparison to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
City have released Micah Richards
They have Sagna who can fill his role as obscure has-been.Quote:
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Why, were you unavailable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
#SickBurn
Yeah, he's 20! Of course he's not as good as what the hype machines pumping out. You know how the media works but I'm surprised by the way people get swept away by the negative press stories sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Liverpool have just sold their best player, blown the money on poor players, gone all cheap and made more poor decisions like £150k on Milner, no idea what they're paying Ings, but these players won't get them into the CL yet alone win the League. After seeing Gerrard go his whole career without winning the league, why wouldn't a player consider his options when on board the Titanic?
I don't know why you're comparing Sanchez and Sterling's ability. It's not about that. The common factor is that if a player wants to leave when his contract is over, a club shouldn't be able to stop him. It's a contract. The players held up his side of the agreement and so has the club. If new terms can't be agreed then you move on.
I'm not comparing Alexis and Sterling at all, you are. There's no comparison to be made on any level, as footballers or men. Alexis is a winner on every level and does his talking on the pitch. Sterling is becoming one of the biggest losers in the game and in record time, and he's gone missing on the pitch and now does his talking through that sick bastard he calls an agent. They are opposites.
I already said, club to player sure, it's business. But the silly little twat has washed his laundry in public. If the club has disrespected him in some way then sure as hell he's disrespected the fans. Whatever the grubby bastards like Abramovich or the Arabs or Kroenke or Murdoch or Blatter or any of the pigs gorging themselves on football wants the the game to be (100% money focused for sure) football isn't there yet. There is still the fanbase, the tribe, the loyalty, the history. Maybe meaningless to those who view everything in terms of cash, but not meaningless to everyone full stop and not made meaningless just because a minority of pigs have the best seats.
If Sterling wants to leave then he can conduct that business in a meeting room and in private can't he? Where does a TV studio enter into that negotiation? There's a difference between negotiating a move and forcing through a move by any means, this super hyped little twat is doing the latter. He deserves precisely zero respect and zero sympathy.
Alan Davies?!
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In happier news, Marca are saying De Gea to Real is imminent. On the other hand, it is Marca. So he'll probably stay then.
We shall revist this conversation if Sanchez ever grows disallusioned because you were saying the same thing about Theo not so long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
For a guy that's so critical of corporate greed and media bias, I don't know why you can't recognise a smear campaign. He's 20 years old and he's going to make mistakes but the club should know better to throw him under a bus.
Lloris to Man Utd for £40m then.Quote:
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Trying to play the 'I'm a real scouser me' card because he once said something spot on about hillsbrough?Quote:
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I'm not bothered what he said then, I'm not now.Quote:
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Not to mention that I repeatedly say I'm not Scouse.
Alright...calm down, calm down...
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Smear campaign?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Get out of it. There's one blindingly obvious and simple way to clear it up if that's all this is. Greed campaign, easy enough to recognise mainly because it's becoming so common.
How can this be cleared up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Fight!
https://twitter.com/PetrCech
Some cunt Arsenal fan made a fake tweet about Cech joining us, and got put in his place by him :lol:
Fight is a better suggestion than I was thinking of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
But leaving that aside there are two ways. First, come out and set the record straight with the specifics of this supposed smear campaign. He's been happy enough to talk in the past, why so shy now? Secondly, and most importantly, get that dickhead of an agent to shut up or at least instruct him not to contradict himself and state his case clearly. You're right, Sterling is a kid trying to handle a crazy situation (primarily of his own making), I'll give him that much. But is he really too dumb to realise the damage his agent is doing? Has he really got so little control he's not in a position to say shut the fuck up?
I don't really give a fuck about Sterling as an individual, provided he doesn't come to Arsenal. What I'm more worried about is that absolute cunt of an agent and the fact he has his hooks into Ox. Ox has great potential, last thing he needs is this wanker lousing it up for him. So I hope Sterling and his agent crash and burn big time following their antics. It would be good for the game and potentially great for Arsenal in the longer term.
What's so hard to understand about a contract? He does not have to sign! It's not rocket science. A club can't force him to sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Wenger is a WUM
https://twitter.com/Bruno_Constant/s...42702168088576
L'Equipe journalist, saying that Diaby will stay but sign a deal on different terms
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#Diaby hasn't been released by #Arsenal. Out of contract. But verbal agreement with the club. Talks ongoing for a new contract.
I never once said he had to sign a contract. I said twice that it's a business relationship between himself and the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
However. I said he and his agent are wankers for the way they have behaved. I said Sterling is a rotten cunt for the way he has played it and disrespected the club and the particularly the fans.
You say he's been stitched up by some sort of smear campaign. I say he's been stitched up by that revolting leech he has in tow who is pretending to represent his interests. But of course he had to allow that to happen.
It looks like we are talking about two different things.
It will be interesting (probably depressing) to see if players run a mile from this "agent" now he's so reviled or if they flock to him.
He missed him after a few hours? Oh well, the treatment room wouldn't be the same without him anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
This is the start of the smear campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-wants-5334889
The player rejects the contract and the manager and club go public. You get the old Liverpool guard like Jamie Carragher weighing and warning him about the Kop turning on him and whatever else. They’re trying to put public pressure on the player to sign. It’s a desperate move and just ruins the players rep in the process because the player and agent then respond in public. Even if he’s being led wrong, the backlash goes on to the player and he’s only 20. Shady agents but these clubs can’t be trusted either. You saw how they blocked Suarez’s move to us. He was supposed to have a contract clause along with a verbal agreement. Liverpool have handled this badly once again. Keep this sort of thing from the press and stop idiots like Carragher weighing in.Quote:
Rodgers said: “Ultimately, for players and representatives, a lot of the time it’s about two things – game-time and money.
"You see it throughout football, not just here. A player can be really happy ¬somewhere and be content and settled, and the development of the player can take place.
“As a manager, you want to give everything to the player to help them. But ultimately, if a player or their representative – probably more so their representative – decides that the player needs to move, that is normally what happens.
"Raheem has made 118 appearances and has only just turned 20. We’ve got a really strong relationship but, as I said, it is about more than that unfortunately. It isn’t like 20 or 30 years ago, when people came in and sometimes didn’t even look at the contract before signing it.
Rodgers added: “Ian Ayre does a wonderful job here, with the owners, and the model that’s been created is to incentivise deals for young players and not give them too much, too young.
"Of course, you still give them what their value and worth is, but I have seen it with so many young players - real top talents - who are way overpaid, then they disappear.
"It won’t happen here.”
Wenger has said similar things about agents, his comments related to Walcott are far less veiled than Rodgers'
The theory Sterling won't sign and so the club try to fuck up his image is a rank outsider compared to the probability the player and his agent are fishing for more cash. Of course the media and the pundits have piled in, it's a free lunch and they'll never pass that up. But a "campaign"? I can't think of any reason why that would be in Liverpool's interests. Isn't it far more likely this is just the increasingly common agent/ player thing? Give him a shed load of cash and guarantees on where and when he'll play and he stays, otherwise he's off? Is that beneficial or realistic representation by the agent? For a young player on his way up? I would say no. Don't forget, this agent is also trying to claw his way up. He's just gone freelance and it's pretty damn obvious he intends to make a name for himself, whether it's a good or bad name doesn't seem to concern him.
Money makes the best people do shitty things. Horrible fucking thing, money and I would say that's what's ruining this player's reputation - money.
When speaking on the Sterling situation, Wenger said it may not be the player’s fault but the agent but also said that when things go public it’s difficult to negotiate. Things should stay behind closed doors. I agree with that which is why I’ve never agreed with what he’s said in public about Walcott’s contract negotiations. He knows better and you keep it private. Things could have gone badly because there are guys in the Arsenal camp leaking rumours of a training ground bust up and that’s not cool.
Ian Stone announced on the Tuesday Club Podcast that Winterburn had said there was a bust up between the pair and Walcott came out to deny it. Alan Davis was even saying that Wenger made a joke about the last negotiations and it being about money. It could have turned sour if Theo didn’t want to stay or if he added fuel to the flames with a public statement on negotiations. If we had ex players like Henry weighing with criticism, negotiations would probably go south. If the fans get involved and start booing then it makes it even worse and that’s what idiots like Carragher are calling for. Sterling’s agent is right. He’s a knob. You’re right, it’s not in the clubs interest to start such things but it’s out of desperation. The player isn’t budging so they leak stories.
Think back to the RVP situation. A cunt of a player, yes indeed. But it was Wenger that tried to control fan expectations when he was banging in goals and the press were running stories reminding us he hasn’t signed a new contract. Fans were saying we should pay him whatever he want, papers ran with that but Wenger came out with that comment about paying over the odds for players reaching 30 and out of their prime. Summer arrived, still no deal and PHW makes a statement about not being able to match City’s wages. Why is he making such a statement? One – he’s trying to paint the picture that RVP’s stalling on a contract for higher wages. Two – the clubs trying to attract a bid from clubs like City. Wenger made no secret of the fact that we had ‘no choice’ but to sell to United because they came were the ones that put up the bid. If City came with a bid and RVP was willing to go, that would have been the narrative. He’s a greedy shit that wanted more money or at least the narrative the clubs would have the fans believe.
It’s a shady business. The players play their part in this but the clubs are fucking sneaky.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Sterling is just a kid and probably a bit thick. He's obviously been badly advised. Liverpool haven't handled the situation at all well, though.
The thing you have to remember is this is Liverpool. Always the victim. I doubt it's any kind of co-ordinated smear campaign, more just a general siege mentality.
"talks" between Diaby and the club? WTF can they talk about? he is finished as a top level footballer and has had about 250 diferent injuries as well as play very little football. Just get rid, end of.
I can agree with that. It's not coordinated but they really are trying ruin the kid with amount they've said along with ex players. From Phil Thompson, Carragher, Owen today. Even if he wanted to stay he can't now.
Explosion of TV and all these ex-player pundits. It's happening with Arsenal too, we have loads of ex-players spouting off. Happily Robson seems to have pissed off at least.
I don't think we've had many ex players go all in on a player or even Wenger for that matter. They know better.
I think he's very good and were it not for the fact we're stocked in that area already and it wouldn't be worth the limited resources we have I would be very tempted myself. He's got the potential to be in the Alexis/Bale/Reus catergory of wide forwards and he's shown glimpses of that the past two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Bear in mind NQ, as Davies put it on the podcast he's been shoehorned into a striker position and the wingback position at times because Rodgers failed to adequately replace Suarez (lol Balotelli and lol Lambert) and strengthen the squad. It's also a bit harsh to expect a 20 year old kid to single handily bear the burden of Liverpool's attacking threat in the absence of Suarez and Sturridge. We should be well aware ourselves from RVP and Cesc, to how quality players eventually get frustrated with being surrounded in a sea of mediocrity.
And despite all that he was Liverpool's best player for the first half of the season (before Coutinho took over)
I'm also assuming that Liverpool made no attempt to lock him down from Sterling's own comments in that now infamous BBC interview where he said that they didn't and he would have signed then had they did.
Sterling this year and probably Coutinho next year. Unless FSG show more ambition than a couple of freebie mid table English players, Liverpool are going to continue to lose their top talent, whatever little they have left these days.
The Mail (I know) are saying the talks are more about allowing Diaby to use our facilities and work with our staff to regain his fitness in order to get a move eventually elsewhere. That's something I don't have a problem with.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFC Leveller
I think with the current squad restrictions and homegrown rules, Wenger wouldn't be silly enough to essentially waste one squad place on a guy who'd never play.
Dear fucking god! This shit is beyond tedious now. Can you fuckers cool off the cluttering of the thread with all the pontification about Sterling and the red dippers?
Go start a different thread or something of the sort, at the very least.
I think De Gea is a cunt for engineering a move to Madrid.
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Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View
Why? It's not like it's getting in the way of discussion surrounding the imminent transfer of Lionel Messi to Arsenal. There's jack all happening at the moment unless you want to include some random Cech rumours or Diaby potentially signing again.
This place these days gets barely any activity as it is, especially in the off season. Some posts discussing Sterling's plight, something we've got a small link to isn't a massive deal considering the circumstances.
Wenger's an optimist. I think he'd offer a deal if Diaby wanted it. He respects his spirit and the way he keeps trying. Diaby was close to giving in last time. This might it for him and he's decided to call it a day or at least wait before signing a new deal and prove his fitness over the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
:lol: It's a slow death for GW. An infrequent poster trying to kill the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
The rumours about Jackson Martinez to Arsenal seem to be getting stronger.
Wenger would not have signed a 28 year old striker before 2 years ago and I would still be a bit surprised.
I would prefer Higuain because he is younger but also he would be more expensive.
I would like Aubameyang above them both though.
We shall see.
Higuain being linked with us again. Might be able to get him cheaper this time.