Early reports say Ozil is 'ill' and will miss the West Ham game.
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Early reports say Ozil is 'ill' and will miss the West Ham game.
He’s got to be careful with that illness shit now - Emery doesn’t look like he plays favourites, and he could find himself out of the starting XI for a while, if the team does well in his absence...Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
He's probably been dropped.
He needs to be sold as soon as possible!!
There’s still time to flog him off abroad somewhere isnt there?!?
Mate. With his salary, we couldnÂ’t give him away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang
Someone mentioned earlier that if teams like Barca came in with offers of 200k per week, he would have been off.
There is a reason why those teams didnÂ’t.
I canÂ’t think of one reason why we gave him the contract he is on now. We have put a number of players on contracts they just didnÂ’t earn.
But this waster is the poster boy for our bad business. It is beyond painful watching this asshole take the fucking piss out of this Club.
Surprisingly little talk of the alleged bust up on here....
Are we assuming that there was a bust up then?
Emery's denial is pretty firm, but in a way both things could be true.
Ozil might have not been well, but they could still have had a disagreement
Either way, I think unless Ozil stops acting like a victim the whole time, he's finished for good at any kind of serious level or in any serious league
Well according to Andy Dunn on the Sunday supplement we can't afford to freeze Ozil out as he is our star player...
It could be as simple as Özil being under the weather, Emery deciding not to play him as he wants a 100% fit team for each game and Özil being annoyed at being dropped. Nothing more than that. Any player who does not feel upset about not being selected should not be in the club, never mind the squad, so if Özil is upset about not being selected, that is not a bad thing.
Özil does get effected by the mood of the rest of the team - he is not the born leader type - but when he plays well, he gives brilliant and penetrating delivery of the ball. Players like him need drivers and leaders around them. I think that is one of the places where Wenger missed out - he didn't seem to think captains were so important. When we had success, we had the Vieira, Adams, Bergkamp and so on - key leader-players in different parts of the pitch - who drove the players around them.
Özil is not one of those players but he is not alone in this. Having said that, if Emery makes an example and gets rid of him in January resulting in the team working better, so be it.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/29/jose-...mates-7772508/
Was going to post in general football nonsense that schadenfreude is present and correct when we consider that Alexis has scored just 2 league goals for Mourinho at Manure, but thought that this headline is interesting when you consider what has been said about Oxil. Do we agree with Mourinho, and are his comments about Alexis evidence that Arsenal players are better than Manure's - given the shed full of goals Alexis scored for us?
Completely Maureen’s fault. Alexis needs to be the focal point of the attack, not out on the left playing second fiddle to Lukaku. Even when Giroud was in the centre everything was channelled into Alexis. He was the boss. He knew it, Giroud knew and so did everyone else in the team. Either drop Lukaku, or let Alexis be the main man in the frontline, even out wide. Unless that happens he’ll continue to be ineffective.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Mourinho can't get the best out of Pogba, flopped with Salah, failed to spot the talent in De Bruyne and Lukaku, hasn't gotten much out of Willian and Cuadrado, Shevchenko was a world class striker and flopped under Mourinho....Jose just isn't good with attacking players.
Yup, the biggest factor is him, though Alexis' best days are probably behind him. Duracell bunnies don't last forever.
United have a plethora of talent at their disposal and I would stay bite their hands off for Martial or Rashford.
Mourinho is busy ruining them both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
We had Alexis at his peak where he scored the most career goals in a season and won back to back Copa America titles. Bit of a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Best days are probably behind him but then I guess the same can be said for Ozil, Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan. How likely are they to explode into action for us now when they're all approaching 30 but off form?
I think he's taken his eye off the pair of them and is focused in on Pogba. Pogba has just won the bleeding world cup, but Jose enjoys a challenge.
So...the question is that if this idea that Alexis' poor form is the fault of his team mates is rejected, then isn't the same also true of Ozil, who in contrast to Alexis is failing to perform in much the same Arsenal team that Alexis did so well in?Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
Ozil is on 350k per week, he earns "elite" player money, like top 10 world class player money. Is he delivering?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney
Never a doubt in my mind Ozil is failing to live up to his potential. I could care less about how much he earns and it’s strange so many non-ticket holders harp on about it. The biggest disappointment is he doesn’t live up the talent he possesses. I’m not sure if it’s appication, if the league is too fast for his style of play or if it’s also perception and expectations on the part of the fans. Maybe it’s a combination of all three. Either way, I wouldn’t miss him if he left - as long as we had a replacement player added to the squad of some description.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
No.And with the price tag comes a lack of excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Agreed. I don’t think it’s a lack of application, Ozil’s running stats are always up there, to call him lazy is a lazy criticism in it itself. I just that I don’t think he’s THAT good. I look at other playmakers and think wow, with Ozil I’m often left scratching my head as to what he’s actually doing. Then again I’m not some footballing hipster so maybe I don’t understand his invisible genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
So many excuses are wheeled out for this guy. It’s always some external factors that prevent him from showing his undoubted talent consistently. It’s never about him just not being good enough or to be more precise, as good as we feel he can be.
I care, he has set the bar to what a supposed top player at Arsenal should earn and he isn't really delivering top player performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
Do you think when it comes to renegotiating a player who is delivering top performances they are going to accept a wage less than Ozil at his current level?
Why is it strange if non-ticket holders harp on about it?
The finances of the club have no bearing on our lives. Every wage is ridiculous, be it £50k a week, or £500k. Where do you draw the line on what is normal or absurd now? It’s impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I no longer care what the club spend on wages and fees because it’s all sickening. As long as you turn up and show your ability on match day that’s all I have interest in. We are so far removed from the inner workings of the club there’s no way of knowing what they’d do with the money if it wasn’t spent on a wage like Ozil’s.
The fact he isn’t living up to his talent is of more concern to me before his bank balance, as the former impacts my enjoyment as a fan directly. What he gets paid doesn’t.
Definitely agree about calliing a player lazy, being lazy in itself. Although, I think it was Raphael Honigstein who was talking about another player last season and spoke about how some players are able to get their running stats up as they know they are being monitored and make pointless runs and moves just to pad the stats. I’m not saying Ozil does that, but it’s an interesting idea that undercuts the idea of how important some of these millions of stats we are bombarded with really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Neither mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
My point was that I hope this crazy wage we've given to Ozil doesn't impact us on re-negotiating other players salaries or players we want to bring in. That's what concerns me.
If Ozil was performing to the level expected of a 350K per week player I wouldn't be so concerned but he isn't.
Exactly. Ozil has become a major problem for us IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
But again, there’s no way of knowing whether it would or not. It’s an existential worry that can’t be answered. Some fans would say we have the funds to pay anything to anyone but choose not to. Others would say we don’t have the cash at all. We were paying stupid money to Theo for heavens sake. And loads of overrated youngsters who hadnt proven themselves in the game. It’s a worry not even worth being concerned about over what he does on the pitch. At least we can see for ourselves there. Everything else is just gossip and rumour.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
New league wage rules have put a cap on how much clubs can spend on wages. The Ozil wage situation is more important than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
OK, controversial statement alert, but I’m not actually sure I’d class Özil as a playmaker? He gets a lot of assists, and sometimes they are genuinely mercurial, but by definition an assist doesn’t have to be anything more than the final pass, and he pads his numbers out with a lot of those too (along with set piece deliveries).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
When I think back to how Bergkamp used to play, he didn’t always get the final pass or claim the assist, but he was an expert at taking the ball under pressure and then playing the key pass that would blow the opposition apart and take half their team out of the game - that’s what I’m looking out for in potential playmakers, and in this era of high pressing I think you mostly find that in deep midfield now (which is probably why we’re seeing so many small, technical attacking midfielders making the switch to that area).
I actually think Özil would make a bloody good winger, if he’d just give it a try and really embrace it? He’s an exceptional dribbler, we know he can play those final passes and rack up assists for fun, and he’s deceptively quick when he wants to be (without being blistering). Unfortunately, I doubt we’ll see it happen though.
The only other long-term option I see for him is trying to reinvent himself as a deep midfielder, as per the above, because I don’t think that traditional 10 role really exists any more (not behind the striker and not at the top clubs, anyway)? Again, though, I doubt we’ll see it.
Not sure what else that leaves? We either shape the team around his need to play as a 10 (which strikes me as a short-term option), or it’s benchville, which does no one any favours.
It isn’t important to me at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Not even if Ozil's wages forms part of the reason why we can't bring in new signings? That's unimportant to you, but I get where others are coming from and bring it up if it effects the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
Imteresting comments from Kolasinac
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/sport/foot...newsletterlink
Right now, and not withstanding the wage issue, we do need him IMO
I think omce the rest of the team learn to give him the ball more often, he could be even more effective
Any creative midfielder would do tbh, preferably one that can play each week.
It’s all very well having an ‘Ozil’ when he turns up but pointless if he can’t play regularly.
Im not really a fan of Ozil, but he didn’t deserve to be hauled off at half time yesterday. My feelings on him are quite clear, despite this he is needed right now as all of our other offensive midfielders are off form.
Seems like Emery’s management has got quite a few good performances out of Ozil.
Has it changed anyone’s opinion enough to keep him and his wage on the books next season?
Or if not, if he carries on as he has recently, would that warrant keeping him?
I didn't think he was outstanding yesterday but overall I wouldn't want to lose him and Ramsey.
Starting to think Ramsey is the bigger loss, we've buggered that one right up.
He wasn’t fantastic but he’s working harder and feels like part of the collective team at the moment.
I’d be more gutted about Ramsey if his injury record wasn’t so terrible. That always evens out the positives he gives for the team across a season.
I agree - it wasn't great but he does enough for me and is working harder - but i was annoyed when he had just the goalie in front of him and passed to Auba instead - he should have had a go, it's no disgrace not beating De GeaQuote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
The wage is the big problem - is it inconceiveable they could sit down with him and say - "look if you love the club and want to stay can we renegotiate, otherwise we may be forced to try and sell you?"
I think it's fair to say that no modern day footballer will ever do that, let alone Ozil. Tbf, I wouldn't either if someone freely offered the deal to me only a year earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76