All change again. Why did you dive in and support Wenger's bizarre complaints?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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All change again. Why did you dive in and support Wenger's bizarre complaints?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
:lol: I just replied to a post. It's a forum, that's what you supposed to do. I don't need to justify that.
Slippery as an eel.
The lack of respect for Wenger is disgraceful on here - boo hoo!
I was just expressing my opinion, that's what a forum is for!
(And before the game) Good posting! Good posting! (As somebody else expressing their opinion was told to fuck off)
Why not have two cakes and eat them both Letters?
Leave Letters he cant help himself. People have posted worse things about Letters himself, mostly tongue in cheek but whatever....and he has taken it like a champ. But any abuse of Wenger and he gets all precious. Years past he would get all hysterical if anyone called Wenger a cunt. Now it is an established fact that he is indeed a cunt. His outrage has turned to haughty dissapointment in said ingrates.
You have a problem mate...shades of Scientology brainwashing.....Get help fast.
On second thoughts. this could all be a Machiavellian strategy by Letters to keep traffic to this forum. Since we all agree that Wenger should go. What else is there to discuss. Cunt or not a cunt...that is the question. In which case ..Well done Letters,
Precious?! :lol:
I've just said it's been OTT on here. It has. :shrug:
:lol: Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
Sometimes when I'm talking to NQ I can't tell if he is replying to what I'm actual saying or the things the voices in his head are telling him I am.
Cute response and all, and it might just work if people jump here rather than reading through the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Frustration has built over a very long period. When Wenger speaks of the club's he has turned down, he won't have a long grace period if he's knocked out of the last 16 of the CL and out of a title race by Christmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
You did. I was making a point about the possibility of Wenger leaving. You guys were saying he's sure to stay but from his recent interactions with the press, he sounds like he's really pissed off and may decide to walk. I didn't post the BBC interview to dicuss whether or not he's been treated fairly. You saw the comments and took it upon yourself to make a point about it whilst missing the overall point of whether he sounds like he's moving on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
When there is something approaching good discourse on here, you can be relied upon to come in and fuck it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Explain how. You think the things I've quoted above from other people are "good discourse"? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
This discussion started when I was replying to a link PnG posted about which PnG said, in part. "He said he won't forget the way he's been treated and that it's a disgrace."
Maybe that wasn't the main point of PnG's post but the headline of the article was "Arsene Wenger: Arsenal manager describes criticism as 'a disgrace'" so I responded to that with my thoughts. Is that not legitimate? Why not? And then the responses were all the nonsense I quoted above. And I'm the one messing up "good discourse"?
Jog on, fella :good:
And then you quoted one of my GW posts as an example :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yes, because it's that sort of thing I was talking about. I seriously doubt he reads this place but equally I doubt he is oblivious to the howling derision on Social media.
I also said that if he's talking about the stuff in the ground then I don't think that is out of line.
I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
But it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I made a pratt of myself for laying into Bif just as he was assisting the winner in the FA Cup Final. You made a pratt of yourself with all this shit. Internet forum. Fan banter. That's how it goes.
You can be sure of one thing though. Wenger doesn't come within a million miles of the fans. He won't have a clue what the real sentiment is. He's seriously out there thinking we're ungrateful bastards and that we owe HIM. He really does. Just listen to him. Which is why I have no time at all for anyone who jumps on his pity train. He's lucky this is Arsenal. No other fanbase on the planet would put up with this shit, that's for sure.
Adams throwing big punches.
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Wenger has faced the hardest campaign of his 21 years at Arsenal with a growing number of fans calling for him to be released at the end of his current contract. After winning the FA Cup, however, he is set to sign a two-year extension.
Adams isn't surprised because he believes the 67-year-old retains full control over all matters at the club, accusing the board of taking the money Wenger earns them and doing 'nothing' else.
He also doesn't buy into Wenger's claim of loyalty. He has regularly cited the fact that he has stayed with Arsenal despite a host of other offers but Adams says he would not have lasted more than a year at Real Madrid and, instead, he has 'free rein' at the Emirates.
Adams continued: 'That’s why I think he’ll hold on to Arsenal. He said "I’ve turned down every club in the world." But he would’ve been sacked after a year at Madrid. He would’ve had to go to from club to club.
'But, at Arsenal, he’s got total dominance. The board do nothing. Arsene has a free rein. He’s earning them so much money he can do what he wants. And I don’t think Arsene can let go. It’s an addiction.'
I've just noticed a few occasions where you have disrupted a really good flowing discussion pointing out the least relevant part of people's posting and either completely taking it out of context or posting some dumbass smiley. We all do that sometimes but I've just noticed it more from you.
Every time he's thrown a punch as a manager, it has been a swing and a miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I know nobody (the football world at least) seems to rate a word adams says but he is spot on with it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He may not be the 'right man' to say it, but what he says is right.
Adams is a bitter old drunk.
We can't forget that there was an Arsenal before Wenger and Adams was part of that. A shit manager himself, maybe. But perhaps it takes one to know one? The complaint with Wenger is not that he can't put together a team to challenge for the top 4. Until very recently at least, we know he can do that. So he's well ahead of Adams in that respect. But when we talk about what it takes to step up to the next level and challenge for that top spot, it seems Wenger has forgotten more that Adams has ever learned. Which means we're fucked. Nobody is saying Wenger out, Adams in. They are just saying Wenger out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
He's one of our legends that, so far, hasn't traded his legacy for cash. You could say maybe he has with this book. Except he's telling the truth. As far as I can tell, judging from the outside so that caveat of course applies, Wenger has made that trade. Put his own personal interests above that of the club. He's not the only one to do it, but he's done it nonetheless. Adams may be a bitter old drunk, but he's shown no sign so far of being as corrupt as Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Indeed he may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
But he's saying what most fans are thinking
A case of people shooting the messenger and ignoring the message. He's entitled to his opinion and an Arsenal legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
So we're likely to get the outcome of this sorry mess this week.
What's everyone thinking then, will he stay or go?
I think he will probably stay but then again, I also feel there may be some on the board who are open to change. Also it was interesting to hear Wenger voice his disgust at the level of disrespect he's received this year, maybe even he's thinking is all this shit worth it at this stage of his life? No doubt if he stays on for another 2-3 years and doesn't deliver a league title and chokes in Europe it's going to be a lot worse.
Think he'll stay but I hope he goes.
I think in his mind he thinks we're a load of ungrateful twats who don't deserve him. If so then he'll be going for the wrong reasons but at least it would be on a relative high and he'd leave with a bit of good will.
If he stays and next season is as big a car crash as this one then it will all get quite nasty again.
My concern is that this won't even get discussed at board level
BBC sports saying he's meeting Kroenke, so that he may bypass the board directly.
Wrighty thinks he's off.
I think he'll stay.
I'm certain he is staying but I really wish he would leave.
I also hope no one buys Adams book. His last one was as boring as shit and he has nothing to say that people are remotely interested so he decided to cash in by throwing the man who brought him more glory than he could ever hope for under the bus.
He may be an Arsenal legend, but he is also a cunt.
I don't think he is at all, because it's being serialised it's clearly showing the most critical aspectsQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
Journos are all going mad speculating. Apparently they know what is going to happen. Either they are taking a punt, egg never seems to stick to their two faces anyway, or there's behind the scenes briefing going on. General consensus seems to be Wenger will stay provided he gets his way over everything and his control is not diminished in any way. Sounds like the board is going to cave and try to save some face by "demanding" Wenger spends some money in the window. Only at Arsenal, the owners demanding the manager spends money. Apparently, according to the either made up or leaked press stories, Wenger will be "instructed" to get the transfer deals done quickly and efficiently so we aren't scrambling at the tail end of the window. Not exactly a smack down.
Big shame that Wenger didn't announce he was off in advance of the cup final. He would have got a memorable send off from 99% of the fans. Instead we remain in the dark. Not just about Wenger's position but also Alexis, Ozil, Ox and the increasing talk of Monreal heading out the door, which would be a shame considering he's one of our most reliable players.
Wenger won't walk no matter what, he's taken this bold stance to get Stan Kroenke on side with him because he doesn't want any changes. But if Kroenke sided with the board, he would accept the changes because leaving the club would just be totally unacceptable to him.
I think you're under the impression that all of us fans somehow matter? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I reckon he'll stay, and it will all get very messy next season when the goodwill generated from the cup final wears off and we see the same shambolic league campaign we're now accustomed to.
By the sounds of it the board don't have a say in this. It's a decison between Wenger and Kroenke.
Wenger has made it all about him, he doesn't want the changes because he will lose all his power. Megalomaniac tbh.
If he does stay then he won't get one ounce of support from me, not one jot.
The next two years could turn very nasty if he does.
I would love to know what's gone on behind the scenes this season. It seemed at times he'd "lost the dressing room" but it was a strong end to the season and a great performance on Saturday.
Maybe (and obviously I'm making this up) the players wanted to go to 3 at the back, Wenger, stubborn as ever, refused to change things and only when he made the change did the players start playing again.
Looking forward to Wenger's inevitable book about it all when he does finally go, would be interesting to read his take on things, stuff he can't say in public now.
I would say that the first part is very likely, but the second part is not as Wenger would never admit that he was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Tuchel has left Dortmund...
I don't think that book is ever going to happen. And it's hardly going to tell you anything, will be very self serving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Pat Rice or Steve Bould? They might have something to say
Been disappointed by him in all honesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Everyone is going to write from their own perspective though and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle so a few different perspectives would be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie