Good Bye RVP!

I think it's difficult to compare footballers to any other job.

No other job has people pay a lot of money to show up and sing your name every week.

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Originally Posted by Letters

The Norwich game was an example. RvP scores 2 goals to give us vital 3 points and then his colleagues go and bugger it up. I can understand RvP being frustrated in games like that.

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Yeh, I suppose thats true.

I just want him to stay :crying:

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

I think it's difficult to compare footballers to any other job.

No other job has people pay a lot of money to show up and sing your name every week.

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The comparison only goes so far. But in the sense of footballers being paid to do a job and being very competitive people who want to do the best in their relatively short careers it's not massively unreasonable to think a player would entertain other offers. If he leaves for City then I'll think less of him because it'll clearly just be for money.

I think he'll leave this summer to be fair. He didn't seem to want to admit that he'll stay, and was always pushing it onto how he's been here for 8 years and loves the club rather than answering the question. Unless we get 3-4 more world class signings, which I think Wenger/Gazidis will try to persuade him about, he'll be off. Money wise, the max Arsenal will be pushed for will be 130k as mentioned in papers today, at City he'll get around 220k so he may opt for that.

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Originally Posted by Letters

The comparison only goes so far. But in the sense of footballers being paid to do a job and being very competitive people who want to do the best in their relatively short careers it's not massively unreasonable to think a player would entertain other offers. If he leaves for City then I'll think less of him because it'll clearly just be for money.

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If he doesn't sign a contract this summer we have to sell him abroad. We can't let him walk out to City.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

I think it's difficult to compare footballers to any other job.

No other job has people pay a lot of money to show up and sing your name every week.

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I doubt most footballers care about the fans anyway. They play competitive sport for themselves, not to entertain others IMO.

The problem is Wenger's promise of new signings to replenish the squad and to make a concerted effort to go for trophies is not longer credible, given his past actions. He's said the same thing to Cesc to try and keep him and he didn't deliver on his promises.

Ok, what if Van Persie had another injury ravaged season and managed half the games he has played. This would all be a moot point, none of the big sides would be interested yet I guarantee he would be offered another contract from us.

I know he scored some great goals this season, but a large proportion of his goals were easy chances laid on a plate to him. You can't tell me had he not been in the team that we wouldn't have scored any of his goals. On top of this I read he has missed the most goalscoring opportunities in PL, so a shit load is being created for him, opportunities that others could have scored. So no he alone didn't get us in the CL.

It is imperative that we keep him, but I can't think he would be any other teams focal point in the same way he is for us. Its a big gamble for him as well.

Also blaming the medical staff is rubbish, we seem to field 11 players every week so how is it the medical staff haven't broken them as well. How are our medical staff at fault when he is getting injured playing internationally?

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Originally Posted by server too busy!

You can't tell me had he not been in the team that we wouldn't have scored any of his goals.

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I can tell you because the alternative would have been Chamakh.

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Originally Posted by Joker

The problem is Wenger's promise of new signings to replenish the squad and to make a concerted effort to go for trophies is not longer credible, given his past actions. He's said the same thing to Cesc to try and keep him and he didn't deliver on his promises.

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I reckon it'll be different this Summer. My one hope is that the manager will not let what happened last Summer happen again. I think there will be a different approach re RVP, and I can see us keeping him even if he doesn't sign. I think also that there will be more quality in.

As I've said, I think its more likely than not that RVP will leave the club. But IMO he is different from Hleb/Adebayor/Nasri/Fabregas in that he will need to be persuaded to leave, not to stay. Citeh/Juve/Real Madrid can be very persuasive, though.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I can tell you because the alternative would have been Chamakh.

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Song could have played there too.

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Originally Posted by server too busy!

Ok, what if Van Persie had another injury ravaged season and managed half the games he has played. This would all be a moot point, none of the big sides would be interested yet I guarantee he would be offered another contract from us.

I know he scored some great goals this season, but a large proportion of his goals were easy chances laid on a plate to him. You can't tell me had he not been in the team that we wouldn't have scored any of his goals. On top of this I read he has missed the most goalscoring opportunities in PL, so a shit load is being created for him, opportunities that others could have scored. So no he alone didn't get us in the CL.

It is imperative that we keep him, but I can't think he would be any other teams focal point in the same way he is for us. Its a big gamble for him as well.

Also blaming the medical staff is rubbish, we seem to field 11 players every week so how is it the medical staff haven't broken them as well. How are our medical staff at fault when he is getting injured playing internationally?

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Too many people miss this point. Amid all the criticism, we are an attacking team that creates a great deal of chances. We are also a team that delivers mostly to feet. RVP is an amazing talent, but he is also the product of our team and the way it plays. Working in tight spaces suits his game (anyone who knows his football journey knows this). He would thrive at another team, but would he be so prolific? ebateable. Look at Mr '30 goal' Adebayor for an illustration.

A large proportion of his goals were not easy chances, and the thing is many of his goals demand top quality movement to get away from his marker. There's no way Chamakh or Park are capable of that sort of movement. Yes he's had his tap-ins but as a central striker you'd expect that.

Well of course if he wasn't playing we'd still score goals, but you're assuming Chamakh or Park would have gotten into the same position as he did, without getting caught offside or mistiming the run etc. I doubt that's the case.

He's missed goalscoring opportunities but so do all strikers. That doesn't detract from his achievements this season. Rooney also misses a hatful of chances.

And I don't think we create anywhere near as many clear goalscoring chances as other teams with more creative midfielders. United have Scholes, Valencia, Young, etc while City have an abundance of talent as well. While we've been relying on our defensive midfielder to create chances for van Persie, which to be fair he's done a good job of.

He may not be a focal point of other teams, but perhaps he's willing to play a more equal role in a team with a greater chance of winning trophies rather than be the big fish in a small pond?

I think we're engaging in a bit of revisionism when it comes to van Persie, so that when he leaves we can say "oh, he wasn't actually as good as we made him out to be". I agree he's nowhere near the level of Messi, Ronaldo, etc, but he's still a very good player. He has contributed to 51 goals (37 goals and 14 assists) in 47 games this season, so it's not as if he's just been waiting for the tap in like RVN.

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Originally Posted by Joker

A large proportion of his goals were not easy chances, and the thing is many of his goals demand top quality movement to get away from his marker. There's no way Chamakh or Park are capable of that sort of movement. Yes he's had his tap-ins but as a central striker you'd expect that.

Well of course if he wasn't playing we'd still score goals, but you're assuming Chamakh or Park would have gotten into the same position as he did, without getting caught offside or mistiming the run etc. I doubt that's the case.

He's missed goalscoring opportunities but so do all strikers. That doesn't detract from his achievements this season. Rooney also misses a hatful of chances, as do all strikers.

And I don't think we create anywhere near as many clear goalscoring chances as other teams with more creative midfielders. United have Scholes, Valencia, Young, etc while City have an abundance of talent as well. While we've been relying on our defensive midfielder to create chances for van Persie, which to be fair he's done a good job of.

He may not be a focal point of other teams, but perhaps he's willing to play a more equal role in a team with a greater chance of winning trophies rather than be the big fish in a small pond?

I think we're engaging in a bit of revisionism when it comes to van Persie, so that when he leaves we can say "oh, he wasn't actually as good as we made him out to be". I agree he's nowhere near the level of Messi, Ronaldo, etc, but he's still a very good player. He has contributed to 51 goals (37 goals and 14 assists) in 47 games this season, so it's not as if he's just been waiting for the tap in like RVN.

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I disagree. I think you are being misled by the way we play - which is rarely to run into acres of space like a 'counter attacking' style team does. We create shed loads of chances/goal scoring opportunites. Much of the time we then over-complicate rather than players just putting their oot through the ball.

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Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping

I disagree. I think you are being misled by the way we play - which is rarely to run into acres of space like a 'counter attacking' style team does. We create shed loads of chances/goal scoring opportunites. Much of the time we then over-complicate rather than players just putting their oot through the ball.

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Yeah you could be right tbh, maybe it just looks that United create more explicit chances because they counter-attack at pace, like we used to do.

And RE: RVP, I think you could say he got us into the Champions League in 2010-2011 as well. His second half to that season was incredible, scoring in 9 consecutive away games and ending the season with 18 premiership goals (all scored since January I believe). Given that we had an appalling collapse that season, and that at the end Spurs only finished 6 points behind us, who knows what would have happened without his goals.

If he does go, I hope someone breaks it gently to Koscielny.

So not Shreeves.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

I think it's difficult to compare footballers to any other job.

No other job has people pay a lot of money to show up and sing your name every week.

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It isn't all it is cracked up to be.

I've had to work at home today so I could concentrate.

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Originally Posted by GB.

It isn't all it is cracked up to be.

I've had to work at home today so I could concentrate.

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"Wanker, Wanker, Wanker, Wanker!"

I work in a shit office with no fans.

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Originally Posted by GB.

It isn't all it is cracked up to be.

I've had to work at home today so I could concentrate.

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Me too. Let's do lunch!

:cheers:

Public Sector :bow:

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Originally Posted by LDG

"Wanker, Wanker, Wanker, Wanker!"

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And that's just his boss.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

No.

Struggling would mean that he could still score goals but find it difficult to maintain over a full season and maybe say as much.

Flopping would mean that he was complete shite and couldnt score for toffee.

There is a clear difference.

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Thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Surely struggling = flopping?

Anyhow he's a top talent and his first season has been pretty good.

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Stuggle i meant as in to adapt to this league not in terms of scoring goals big difference.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

CL football was delivered via team effort, not just RVP's goals.

He didnt score against west brom, which was arguably the most vital game for us to win at the end of the season.

1 great season does not repay 7 years of warming the injury table

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Love this.

It has nearly been 2 hours since the meeting started ffs.

As a great shit-eating racist once said: "We should open negotiations by writing YES on a chalkboard and walking away."

We need updates.

And we need them now.

Come on Gazidis.

And come on the comfort zone.

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Originally Posted by Syn

It has nearly been 2 hours since the meeting started ffs.

As a great shit-eating racist once said: "We should open negotiations by writing YES on a chalkboard and walking away."

We need updates.

And we need them now.

Come on Gazidis.

And come on the comfort zone.

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IG - Robin here is our offer will you sign it

RvP - I want assurances we will sign quality players

IG - We Already have Chamakh and Almunia

RvP - No i said quality players

IG - Denilson?

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IG - Robin here is our offer will you sign it

RvP - I want assurances we will sign quality players

IG - We Already have Chamakh and Almunia

RvP - No i said quality players

IG - Denilson?

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RVP - *sigh*

AW - Don't forget, we have also Alex Song who can play there. DO NOT FORGET

RVP - But Boss, we're shit. I've carried the team. We need quality additions.

AW - OK, you win. We have signed Jack Wilshire. He is quality, no?

RVP - We already own him though. He has been injured. He has been injured for twice as long as my longest injury.

AW - But if you think about it. He is like a new signing. Like you were a new signing before him.

RVP - Jesus fuck. You twatter. City are offering me money, and trophies. What exactly, are you offering me?

AW - As well you see.

RVP - What?

AW - Spirit?

RVP - *confused*

AW - Mental sffrengff.

RVP - You're mental.

AW - As well....

RVP - Fuck off.

IG - Have you renewed your season ticket yet Robin?

"Let him go, Song can play there"

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RVP - Jesus fuck. You twatter. City are offering me money, and trophies. What exactly, are you offering me?

AW - As well you see.

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IG - Have you renewed your season ticket yet Robin?

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RVP: £200K per week...
AFC: £150K, highest we can go...
RVP: £200K or I'm outa here...
AFC: £120K, final offer...
RVP: WTF? You said £150K!
AFC: £150K, okay then... what about £90K?
RVP: Fuck off...
AFC: £85K plus we extend the length of contract to 6 months...

If he is motivated by money we don't stand a chance tbf, or trophies for that matter, or hope

It is difficult to think of any scenario where if you are offering objective counsel that you would advise him to stay.

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Originally Posted by GB.

It is difficult to think of any scenario where if you are offering objective counsel that you would advise him to stay.

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I'm not sure that's true.
Had we finished 7th then yeah, why would he stay? But we finished 3rd, qualified for the CL and if we buy the right players (big if, obviously) there's no reason to think we can't push on next season and challenge harder. Of course he'll have a better chance of winning trophies at City and he'd get more money but I think he's got the brains to know that it would be a pretty empty 'achievement'.

I doubt he'd think it's an empty achievement tbh. If he joins Citeh and is part of a trophy winning machine I doubt he'll accept that these trophies are null and void.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I'm not sure that's true.
Had we finished 7th then yeah, why would he stay? But we finished 3rd, qualified for the CL and if we buy the right players (big if, obviously) there's no reason to think we can't push on next season and challenge harder. Of course he'll have a better chance of winning trophies at City and he'd get more money but I think he's got the brains to know that it would be a pretty empty 'achievement'.

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from your point of view yes but from a footballer sitting back in his retirement, i doubt he will look back at his prem medal and regret not sticking around for another emirates trophy.

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Originally Posted by Joker

I doubt he'd think it's an empty achievement tbh. If he joins Citeh and is part of a trophy winning machine I doubt he'll accept that these trophies are null and void.

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Depends on his mentality. But id be shocked if he Stayed in this country if he decides to leave. he'd never do that to us.

If he did go to City then I doubt it would be for the money tbf to him.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I'm not sure that's true.
Had we finished 7th then yeah, why would he stay? But we finished 3rd, qualified for the CL and if we buy the right players (big if, obviously) there's no reason to think we can't push on next season and challenge harder. Of course he'll have a better chance of winning trophies at City and he'd get more money but I think he's got the brains to know that it would be a pretty empty 'achievement'.

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End of the day its wether we think getting another year out of him then letting him go for nothing next season is better for us then the 25 mill we probs won't spend.

Id keep him even if it meant loosing him on a free. because at 30 i don't think it would be such a loss. If we can get a good season out of him again next season then it would be worth it.

Can't picture RvP in anything other than an Arsenal medical gown. Just doesn't compute thinking of him in blue. With Bollocktelli and the scum argy probably on the way out I'm sure they'll offer something suitably ridiculous to try to lure him though.

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Originally Posted by Joker

I doubt he'd think it's an empty achievement tbh. If he joins Citeh and is part of a trophy winning machine I doubt he'll accept that these trophies are null and void.

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Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.