Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10

I think we made a profit on most of the youngsters we've sold on and again with their sell-on clauses too.
I reckon we haven't made too many losses.
I would love us to have more players coming through the academy though. In recent years I can't think of a top 10 premiership team who has boasted much success here...so it's an ongoing problem for many clubs. The pressure to buy in doesn't necessarily give the time needed to the youngsters to develop.
It's a a tricky thing to get right. We want big signings but also want youth products to hit the ground running whilst they are still learning the game.

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Again though, you're ignoring the wages we pay them which add up into the millions, not sure we made much profit at all, we've had so many youngster overs the years.

I don't want us to sign youth players, well I do but only the odd one or two now and again because they have something special about them, in the same way other clubs do, I don't want us wasting a few million on the likes of holding and Takano because IMO these aren't special talents and we're just wasting our time with them.

There's only a handful of players from Japan who have had any kind of impact, even less in the PL. Even their very best players aren't anything amazing, workmanlike and some decent skills but nothing extraordinary IMO.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

I have a really hard time believing that it takes up a lot of resources to sign the likes of Asano and Holding to the extent of it affecting other major transfers we may want to do. We're a big club, with scouts and staff around the world. We can probably deal with three or four transfers at the same time if we really wanted to (see last minute trolley dash in 2011).

The reason we haven't signed striker is not because we've been focusing our efforts on Asano and Holding but more that since Vardy, Wenger hasn't found anyone else that he really wants.

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Have you been watching our signings in recent years, we struggle to sign more than 1 most of the time, whilst most other clubs have no problems, suggest to me that a) we won't pay the money b) we don't have a list of players to go after (well we do but it has 1 max 2 names on it, it's a joke) and c) we spend more time looking for kids who amount to nothing.

There's just no excuse for our transfer policy tbh.

Yeah as much as it hurts to say it, Pochettino has really shown up Wenger in terms of Youth Development recently. His coaching skills are more in line with the modern game then Wenger's who, like most of his ideas now, are outdated and stale.

Wenger's been living of his previous reputation for a while now and even more so if The Ox ends up being thrown into the trash heap after this season.

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Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10

In all seriousness, Janssen and Wanyama would have been excellent additions to our squad and at bargain prices too. Not sure how Spurs got Wanyama for 11million?

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Simple, they tried and got in there before anyone else, they don't hang around for months doing nothing which helps a lot when signing players.

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Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner

At the same time, he could be another Ryan Babel or Alfonso Alves.

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For the money they paid for him it's pretty much no risk, pocket change in today's game. That's the kind of kids we should be signing IMO, players who have at least got some experience and some record of delivering, not unknowns who have only played in the youth team and once scored a couple goals.

SSN are reporting that United have opened talks with Juve over Pogba. Fee is thought to be €104m. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Özim

Have you been watching our signings in recent years, we struggle to sign more than 1 most of the time, whilst most other clubs have no problems, suggest to me that a) we won't pay the money b) we don't have a list of players to go after (well we do but it has 1 max 2 names on it, it's a joke) and c) we spend more time looking for kids who amount to nothing.

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Pretty specious reasoning tbh.

The transfer window is long; it's rare then to get transfers clogged up all in one moment so we don't usually have the problem of dealing with multiple transfers at once, though whenever it's happened we've dealt with it. See the aforementioned 2011 example or two years ago when we signed the likes of Debauchy and Alexis pretty close to one another.

Can you actually point to a specific example where a transfer was delayed/lost because we were too busy dealing with another transfer in a completely unrelated position?

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

Yeah as much as it hurts to say it, Pochettino has really shown up Wenger in terms of Youth Development recently. His coaching skills are more in line with the modern game then Wenger's who, like most of his ideas now, are outdated and stale.

Wenger's been living of his previous reputation for a while now and even more so if The Ox ends up being thrown into the trash heap after this season.

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I'm not sure how much credit you can give to Pochettino for youth development. He hasn't really been there long enough to develop anyone.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Reynholm

I'm not sure how much credit you can give to Pochettino for youth development. He hasn't really been there long enough to develop anyone.

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He's been there for two years now and he had a similar record at Southampton, turning promising youth players into good established players, e.g. Shaw, Lallana.

Would you not credit him for turning the likes of Kane into what seemed destined to be a journey man lower league striker to a contender for PL top scorer last year? Likewise Alli into one of the best CM's in the PL last year?

Or turning what seemed really should be turds like Rose and Mason into good players for Spurs, who fulfil a function.

Or even resurrecting the career of Lamela who seemed finished when he arrived?

All those really happened under his watch.



Would easily take Pochettino here in a heartbeat tbh.

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Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico

He's been there for two years now and he had a similar record at Southampton, turning promising youth players into good established players, e.g. Shaw, Lallana.

Would you not credit him for turning the likes of Kane into what seemed destined to be a journey man lower league striker to a contender for PL top scorer last year? Likewise Alli into one of the best CM's in the PL last year?

Or turning what seemed really should be turds like Rose and Mason into good players for Spurs, who fulfil a function.

Or even resurrecting the career of Lamela who seemed finished when he arrived?

All those really happened under his watch.



Would easily take Pochettino here in a heartbeat tbh.

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Yeah totally agree.

Even Eric Dier has developed into a very promising player, he was one of Pochettino's buys. He has a very good record with young players there is no doubt about that.

As you rightly said he did a very good job with the young players down at Southampton, he did the same at Espanyol in Spain, he had no choice but the fact that they had pretty decent seasons with a team largely made up of homegrown players is commendable. Pochettino is one of if not the best coach in the world right now for developing youth.