Anyone happy to finish outside top 4, if it brings about real change?

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What is the point of this thread? We've had this discussion already. Oh - I know, we lost one game after a run of 7 wins so it is time to come out of the woodword and attack.

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Originally Posted by Coney

What is the point of this thread? We've had this discussion already. Oh - I know, we lost one game after a run of 7 wins so it is time to come out of the woodword and attack.

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well of course, just look at the arsehole starting the thread.

still not quite as ridiculous as his last rvp thread but for such a massive rim goblin, he gives it his best shot.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

well of course, just look at the arsehole starting the thread.

still not quite as ridiculous as his last rvp thread but for such a massive rim goblin, he gives it his best shot.

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Oh you bitch you

I'm surprised he hasn't logged on with one of his other accounts yet so he can agree with himself.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

I'm surprised he hasn't logged on with one of his other accounts yet so he can agree with himself.

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I agree



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No surprise that Terry Tuffnutz comes on and abuses me for trying to get a discussion going. If you hadn't noticed, in my original post I did put the other side's viewpoint across as well (that radical change could be damaging)

I don't understand how the pro-Wenger brigade are allowed to abuse those mildly critical of the way things are going, calling us "rim goblins" and "arseholes" and yet none of the moderators even have a quiet word with them to get them to stop. Yet if any of the so called "pessimists" respond I bet they'd get a stern warning.

Seriously, unless the moderators tell certain posters to stop with the childish abuse, you're going to end up with a forum of about 5 posters constantly posting about how everything is rosy in the Arsenal garden.

And it's a bit rich of GP to be talking about multiple accounts, when he created another account on the old GW to abuse Zim.

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Originally Posted by Joker

calling us "rim goblins"

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:haha:

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Originally Posted by Joker

I know the manager and the board view 4th place as the holy grail of football, the be all and end all when it comes to sporting achievement. However, for the fans, this sort of narrow financial determinism is depressing, and I know many people who have said they'd prefer to drop out of the top 4, if it meant having to rebuild from bottom up, as it may lead to a loss of many established players (who have failed to step up to the plate over the last 5 years), the manager leaving and perhaps even change in the boardroom, especially if Stan feels a club without the Champions League revenues is not worth "investing" in. I think this is the only way we'll succeed in the long run tbh.

However, there are others who think that such an upheaval will see us languish in mid-table for a long time, and that continuity is the way forward, and that once FIFA's financial fair play regulations are put in place, it will create a level playing field allowing our "prudent" business style to reap dividends.

What do you think?

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it should be somewhere in the middle, the manager needs replacing i think most would agree with that but if a tactical noob like Wenger can get this lot into 3rd while using about a 3rd of the team then i don't see why a more tactically aware manager or even a man motivator couldn't take them higher. Its all fine lines in football, most of which we have been on the wrong side of recently, maybe a new manager would help push us the other way.

No way should we rip everything up and start again though, that would be death for a club like us. I definitely want to see what a different manager could do with these players, even the dead ducks but i wouldn't want us to lose our status for that. The concern i do have is that Wenger will move upstairs and we will get some monkey in to dance to his organ, that would be worse than him staying.

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Originally Posted by Coney

What is the point of this thread? We've had this discussion already. Oh - I know, we lost one game after a run of 7 wins so it is time to come out of the woodword and attack.

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I agree, we lose one game and the some people with posts hailing our shitness, how we are the worst team in the country even though we stand thitd in the league on the same points as a team who were not so long ago being touted as a serious threat to Manchester and playing the most entertaining football in the country.

Now I do not claim that this season has been a success, we have still lost games to teams we shouldnt ie lat Saturday but come on we all know the team is still a project and a lot needs to be done.
Nor am I Wengers biggest fan. . .I will not make him walk the plank but I wont be sad if a new direction means saying goodbye to him.