Was Denilson better than Ramsey?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Denilson didn't develop as a player, Ramsey still has a chance to do that. But he has been generally poor since his return from injury. I don't think he brings the midfield down on his own, but when others aren't playing well he doesn't step up. A bit of a passenger. Denilson was different, he actually killed our game, slowed us down, broke up our play rather like the massively overrated Diaby. Fact is, we need better players than any of these full stop. That kid Coquelin was twice as effective as Ramsey today even though he made a few mistakes. Ox was also far more effective even though he didn't have a decisive impact. So Ramsey is a bit anonymous which is not as bad as Denilson who had a negative effect on the whole team.

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Denilson was excellent in the 08/09 season as the main man in our midfield with Cesc dead when we went 20 odd games unbeaten and go to FA Cup and CL semi finals.

Cesc came back, killed Denilson and he never really recovered

Make Ramsey our main man in midfield and we'll be relegated by August

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Originally Posted by Ach

Denilson was excellent in the 08/09 season as the main man in our midfield with Cesc dead when we went 20 odd games unbeaten and go to FA Cup and CL semi finals.

Cesc came back, killed Denilson and he never really recovered

Make Ramsey our main man in midfield and we'll be relegated by August

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Who else was in that midfield?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Denilson didn't develop as a player, Ramsey still has a chance to do that. But he has been generally poor since his return from injury. I don't think he brings the midfield down on his own, but when others aren't playing well he doesn't step up. A bit of a passenger. Denilson was different, he actually killed our game, slowed us down, broke up our play rather like the massively overrated Diaby. Fact is, we need better players than any of these full stop. That kid Coquelin was twice as effective as Ramsey today even though he made a few mistakes. Ox was also far more effective even though he didn't have a decisive impact. So Ramsey is a bit anonymous which is not as bad as Denilson who had a negative effect on the whole team.

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Ramsey has a negative effect on our team. Since coming back our midfield looks disjointed again and open. That's worse than Denilson's effect. Teams are dominating us now and that never used to happen. A few months back when he was out injured and it was Rosicky, Song and Arteta, we looked like the old Arsenal that was deadly. He's a serious problem and has to come out of the team. He plays in a crucial role and it's really killing us.

I used to love how Denilson use to stroll around the pitch like it was a Sunday afternoon stroll. Whilst the opposition were busting a gut to get forward he'd lazily jog after them. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Ramsey has a negative effect on our team. Since coming back our midfield looks disjointed again and open. That's worse than Denilson's effect. Teams are dominating us now and that never used to happen. A few months back when he was out injured and it was Rosicky, Song and Arteta, we looked like the old Arsenal that was deadly. He's a serious problem and has to come out of the team. He plays in a crucial role and it's really killing us.

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True but you have to remember we had Cesc before and he use to dictate play, I remember seeing us play without him and we were totally clueless and lacked creativity.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I used to love how Denilson use to stroll around the pitch like it was a Sunday afternoon stroll. Whilst the opposition were busting a gut to get forward he'd lazily jog after them. :lol:

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Well he was the "main man in our midfield" when cesc was not there that time so he probs earned the right.

This is still being debated?

I cleared it up hours ago.

They are both not of the required standard to compete at the level we wish to be at.

/thread.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

This is still being debated?I cleared it up hours ago.

They are both not of the required standard to compete at the level we wish to be at.

/thread.

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Reminds me of the Old ACh vs Zimm debate over who was worse Denilson or Diaby.:haha:

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Reminds me of the Old ACh vs Zimm debate over who was worse Denilson or Diaby.:haha:

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Oh fuck me, we may as well chuck diaby in with them, he's shit too.