Is there another "top bracket" manager who has gone 7 seasons without a trophy?

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I changed my post somewhat, but if your point is valid then in a sense yes, though it's a bit more complex than that. I personally think Arsenal fans just put up and shut up on the whole, there's not really many signs of discontent overall....maybe fans are happy paying sky high prices, getting 4th every season and having a board who are happy lining their own pockets.

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Not all fans are happy but you get the prawn sandwich tory boys who buy season tickets and don't go to half these games and don't care what goes on in the club, this is the problem.

Its the hard working fans who spends his last pounds on a season ticket only to see this rubbish, becuse they could have used it for better, but a part of me feels its their choice too.

Of course no other top manager wouldd still be in the job and we all know it thats why i said it was a stupid thread. Because if their is another manager that could be allowed to do this then id be shocked.

A good question that should be repeated anytime AW or the board come out with their crap, about how lucky we are to always be in the mix of things (at least in their pathetic minds).

But TBH the more revealing question would be " Is there a top bracket club in Europe, actually scratch that, in the known footballing world (I.e the 2 continents), that has gone 7 years without any silverware- let me repeat, 28 consecutive chances to win a trophy and achieved zip zero, with the added obnoxiousness of still unbelievably maintaining the full status quo???".

This rightly damns everyone and IMO is probably why Zimm should never have changed his original post.

There aren't many top bracket managers that have had 7 years with one club yet alone gone 7 years without winning anything. Wenger has had a rare opportunity to build team after team and most managers just don't get that chance.

The argument about Wenger meeting the boards targets are just odd. Once read an interview from Wenger about developing young players. He said something along the line that he's fortunate to be in a business where every player wants to be a star and te players he works with should naturally strive to be better. He shouldn't have tell his young players to turn up on time for training or to stay out of trouble. I think he was referring to the Pennant and Quincy situation at the time. Apply the same logic to the situation between him and the board. Even if the Board are content with 4th place as a minimum, should he as a coach of a top club be satisfied with that? Where is his sporting ambition? 7 years without a trophy should be burning him on the inside and he should be banging on the Boards door to
demanding a change to their approach of their showing no ambition rather than the other way round.

I appear to have stumbled upon

http://transformedandscaled.com/wp-c...11/11/wamb.jpg

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

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The argument about Wenger meeting the boards targets are just odd. .

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Not really, they pay him we don't simples. if they were not happy with 4th place regalrdless of how much money he makes then he'd be sacked.

You think if he finished 10th in the last season but made them money he'd be there?

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Originally Posted by GB.

I appear to have stumbled upon

http://transformedandscaled.com/wp-c...11/11/wamb.jpg

thread.

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Is there another "top bracket" manager who has spent 7 seasons at the same club?

Not many.

You cannot judge Wenger against the top managers with his transfer budget. He could have left to RM but didn't.

The only thing you can do is give all managers the same budget and see what they can do.

He's certainly not a top tactician but could any other manager in the world get this squad of players higher than 3rd?? No.

Not so sure about that. Man Utd have a very weak squad but have still managed to win a title and go toe to toe with City.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Not really, they pay him we don't simples. if they were not happy with 4th place regalrdless of how much money he makes then he'd be sacked.

You think if he finished 10th in the last season but made them money he'd be there?

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That implies AW is just in it for the money. So you are saying, all he cares about is the 6 million quid.. ok got it. If thats the case then he is a money grabbing coach and we should not have his 'likes' at Arsenal.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

That implies AW is just in it for the money. So you are saying, all he cares about is the 6 million quid.. ok got it. If thats the case then he is a money grabbing coach and we should not have his 'likes' at Arsenal.

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Don't see where i said he was in it for the money, I said they pay him not us.

They are happy with 4th otherwise he'd be gone.

What i'm saying is if he finish 10th then they sack him reardless or he'd walk too.