Stick em in the brig until they're sober
Stick em in the brig until they're sober
Stick em in the brig until they're sober
Early in the morning!
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Stick em in the brig until they're sober
Stick em in the brig until they're sober
Stick em in the brig until they're sober
Early in the morning!
With this board and a different manager we'd be worse off IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
The buck stops with the manager IMO. It's his tactics and youth policy that have failed over the years. Stan Kroenke is 2 years old so I am not going to blame him for the whole mess. Gazidis is AW's appointment, so needs to go as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I don't see why the board is getting blamed for this. They cannot force Wenger to spend, and nor should they given that they have no idea about football.
The wage structure is Wenger's idea (imo), as are the players we recruit. Now you can say we should be doing better, but to be honest Wenger is doing a spectacular job given his league placings and qualifying for the Champions League for 15 years. While I believe we can still win the league, it's only through Wenger's brilliance that we even have a chance of this - the likes of Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea have outspent us comfortably and none of them had a chance of winning the league last year either.
I do not think it is possible for us to win the league this year, even if we kept Van Persie and Song... Chelsea and Man City have spent too much and while we can develop a first team that can compete, it is impossible to get squad depth that can match the others without extravagant spending. I used to slate Wenger on here for not doing better in the transfer market, and in some ways our transfer dealing was shocking this summer (namely not getting a player on deadline day) but I'm beginning to understand that going for the title (which is of course, the ultimate aim) is beyond our reach.
I see little to no gain to AFC if these set of owners go and this suffocating Manager stays. AW is quite stubborn and charming and would probably get a typical lazy moneybag eating from his paws.
Preferably they all clear out or the manager goes. That's what I think would be better for AFC in the short and long run.
Good grief. I mean honestly - good grief!
Where does this idea that Wenger controls the club come from? If he controls everything then why is his mate Dein out on his arse? Dein was the one who wanted to spend on the squad, right? So Wenger must have known this and friend or not put a stop to it by forcing him out. Ruthless bastard. Then he did Nina Bracewaddle, teed-up the leeches for their £500mill parachute jump and dragged Stan and his mates in to do it all again.
No, of course Wenger didn't do any of this, just like any employee in any business doesn't waltz into the board room and start laying down the law and issuing instructions. The board and shareholders did all the above themselves, but accepted, as the money flowed and the blood flowed they all reminded themselves, "Never forget, when all this half billion quid carnage is over, Wenger is in charge!"
It's just so ridiculous it's hard to know how intelligent human beings can give it credence. And yet the hatred of the manager is so intense any old lazily spun yarn will do.
Even though it's beyond all bounds of reason to suggest the shareholders call the shots - let's just speculate for a moment and say they do. Crazy, but stick with me. What if, as his boss and under a naive and singularly arcane belief they tried to tell Wenger what to do. What if they said, "Arsene, we don't care who you buy, when you buy them, who you sell, how you sell them, but... every year we need at least £10mill in the kitty from transfer activity to make the budget work out!"? And (side issue) what if the players got wind of that? And what if all the evidence we have seen over the years fully supported this wild conspiracy theory?
Alright, I agree. Highly unlikely. What's really happening is Stan, a guy who wants to make a boatload of money from Arsenal, is ringing Wenger up and begging him to spend but Wenger just says, "Stan, who do you think you are? The answer is NO!" And Gazidis says, "You know Arsene, my master, with all due respect you should spend, we want the fans to be happy, this is the main thing!" And Wenger says, "I hired you, I can fire you just as quick, please be quiet, get back to being my puppet!" And Ivan says," Yes, and it's right for you to say that and I will obey!"
Follow the money is not some bullshit catchphrase. It's the history of commerce, politics, just about any human endeavour you can name. Who got rich, who got fucked. Why does the gap between the rich and the poor continue to widen regardless of economic circumstances and climate? Why do these old patterns repeat through history and why can't some people see them when they are plonked in the middle of the room and the size of an elephant?
And then the question goes, why doesn't Wenger resign and go somewhere else if he doesn't get the full control he wants and is restricted by the board? Well, maybe it's because there is no team anywhere in the world that would allow him such freedom because that's how the whole business process works. The people at the top are in charge. No honestly, the people at the top are in charge. Why does this even need to be said? Why is it not kick in the bollocks obvious?
Do they take Wenger's advice. I'm sure they do. I'm sure they place huge stock in it. Do they take Wenger's instructions? No. As in no. No they don't, because if they did that they'd be the ones working for him, right? And why would you pay £500mill to go and work for somebody? When does that ever happen?
And why was there a youth policy in the first place? Was it connected to a business plan or merely the arrogant brainchild of Wenger?Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
In politics or business (which is what football is now) the buck always stops at the highest level which is the board. It's weird how in football it's generally the employee who gets all the flak and rarely the employer.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Wenger is far from blameless but the board have sat back and watched us fail over the last 7 years and done nothing.
And I don't believe for one minute that they're blameless for our transfer policies.
We finished 3rd last year. I 'blame' Wenger for that. Once again Wenger met the board's targets. IMO he'll do so again this year. We were good on Sunday, I fancy us for a top 4 finish. That is the board's target, so long as Wenger keeps hitting it he'll have a job.
Sorry but you can't seriously believe that? The previous shareholders and the current ones are all desperate to splash money. They said it over and over, "We wnat to spend but Wenger won't let us!" You know this, they have tried their best but Wenger has fucked them and all they have left to show for their efforts is half a billion quid split between them and for negligible investment. Pity them, more victims of the destroyer Wenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Your right, but if you think Aw going will mean some top class manager coming in more fool you. don't get it twisted i want him out, but i can only see A wenger mark 2 coming in. Why because while stan is here and knows he can make money thats what he will do. Lets not forger the board have said wenger can hace a say in his sucessor.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Wenger being shite and tactics is a diffrent issue to board stuff.