Now you can officially start to panic...

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

there is a release clause, everyone has reported it. as i said, barca could be open to offers, if they didnt want to sell, they would say, "hes not for sale" by saying "cesc wants to stay" they have left the door open. two very similar sentances, two very very different meanings.

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Barca have also said he's untransferable and Cesc has pretty much confirmed it, in addition even if we do have an option it takes two to tango Cesc would need to want to come. Can't see it, he'd want to go to a club who have a realistic chance of winning stuff.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i dont which part of me saying, these quotes worry me is me being happy with what he says but oh well. cazorla comments here http://www.london24.com/sport/arsena..._guy_1_1455519

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See above seems tongue in cheek, plus pic says he's our signing which hardly gives this article credibility

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

they look decent, are clearly so well known you know him as that brazilian dude. they are good squad players, who could turn out to be very good, but right now we need world class. you'd be moaning if we signed them and no one else. if at the end of the window, we sign no one, of course ill be jealous of city getting good players but right now we can do much better so I'm not too worried right now

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I'm not fussed but Jovetic is highly rated apparently and Negredo scored 29 goals in Spain not a bad feat

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i think he will end up at napoli now. ive seen a report tonight saying madrid want 37 million for him now. pay the 3million extra for suarez in that case

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He probably will as they're loaded, waste of time regarding Suarez we won't bid enough and he won't come anyway.

can someone start another thread about someone we're not going to sign please.

that article, its written on 23rd july. we signed cazorla in august so hey must have updated it. i thought quote was two days before looks like two weeks.

wenger has also said on deadline day or day before that there are no truth in arteta links hours later we sign him.


the fabregas thing, the trophies arguement is slightly redundent in this case, purely because barca are guanreteed trophies, united are not. they are unknown right now, they dont have a great squad, fergie was just an incrediable manager who would win ten points a season on his own. moyes having never won a trophy is a gamble for players. its not as clear cut as who is more likely to win trophies in this case, if it was, hed stay at barca. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23330921 this from the bbc has quotes from barca, not a single one says he isnt for sale, it just says he wants to stay. there is a difference

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

that article, its written on 23rd july. we signed cazorla in august so hey must have updated it. i thought quote was two days before looks like two weeks.

wenger has also said on deadline day or day before that there are no truth in arteta links hours later we sign him.


the fabregas thing, the trophies arguement is slightly redundent in this case, purely because barca are guanreteed trophies, united are not. they are unknown right now, they dont have a great squad, fergie was just an incrediable manager who would win ten points a season on his own. moyes having never won a trophy is a gamble for players. its not as clear cut as who is more likely to win trophies in this case, if it was, hed stay at barca. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23330921 this from the bbc has quotes from barca, not a single one says he isnt for sale, it just says he wants to stay. there is a difference

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Updated an old article to say that he's signed under the picture? Odd

Wenger is a liar, we know that he's lied many times, however with regards signings we know the kind of players he likes, cheap relatively low profile players.

The trophies argument is relevant, if you had a choice you'd want to go to a club who clearly are geared towards winning and Man U fit the bill much, there would probably be others interested. He'd never come back to us, not unless he was content with no silverware, which given the choice you wouldn't be.

Says he's untransferable here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...le-to-buy.html

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

Updated an old article to say that he's signed under the picture? Odd

Wenger is a liar, we know that he's lied many times, however with regards signings we know the kind of players he likes, cheap relatively low profile players.

The trophies argument is relevant, if you had a choice you'd want to go to a club who clearly are geared towards winning and Man U fit the bill much, there would probably be others interested. He'd never come back to us, not unless he was content with no silverware, which given the choice you wouldn't be.

Says he's untransferable here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...le-to-buy.html

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that telegraph article, it says a barcalone source. not exactly a huge assurance. the manger himself saying he isnt for sale is a huge statement, he hasnt said that. an anonymous said that, not exactly what fabregas wants to hear.


the cazorla article, updating a photo to say he is signed is odd, but wahts more odd is writing an article with that quote, backdating it two weeks nad publishing it.

the way you are talking is that we will never win a trophy ever again. but i dont think you trophies etc is an arugement with fabregas, i think his relationship with wenger is the key to this. if we did sign a world class striker and cesc, we will trophies ( dont start the whole we wont sign wc players, that shit is boring) if wenger said to cesc, ive got higuain/suarez and if you come, you can win trophies with us, h'll do it. he wont go to united, the emotional bond with us is key here, i just cant see him leaving for united over us, not with wenger in charge

I thought Higuain was a real possibility but that looks stone cold now. Rooney, Suarez, never real. Cesc, I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere we get part of the transfer if he moves, but if true we'll take the money rather than spend it every time. They may rush one name in at the very end but I hope that doesn't fool the fans.

We needed to spend that £70mill just to stop the drain and steady things. And we needed to make a strong statement at the start of the window to encourage other players to at least consider us. Now all we see is same old Arsenal. Two billionaires and no signings. They'll be quick enough to take the proceeds though when it comes time to sell up.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

that telegraph article, it says a barcalone source. not exactly a huge assurance. the manger himself saying he isnt for sale is a huge statement, he hasnt said that. an anonymous said that, not exactly what fabregas wants to hear.


the cazorla article, updating a photo to say he is signed is odd, but wahts more odd is writing an article with that quote, backdating it two weeks nad publishing it.

the way you are talking is that we will never win a trophy ever again. but i dont think you trophies etc is an arugement with fabregas, i think his relationship with wenger is the key to this. if we did sign a world class striker and cesc, we will trophies ( dont start the whole we wont sign wc players, that shit is boring) if wenger said to cesc, ive got higuain/suarez and if you come, you can win trophies with us, h'll do it. he wont go to united, the emotional bond with us is key here, i just cant see him leaving for united over us, not with wenger in charge

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:lol: So your articles are fine but that one isn't, have you listened to yourself?

The relationship with Wenger is iirelevant, Wenger has great relationships with loads of players but they still leave without a 2nd thought. I can't see us winning another trophy under Wenger, I said that quite a while ago and he's yet to show me any different.

We won't sign these big name players you mention, never have, never will, it's not Wenger's style either. You think it's as easy as saying "if you come you'll win trophies with us"....let me put it out there but perhaps he might say, "Arsene you say this but Arsenal haven't won a trophy for a long time and when I was with Arsenal it never happened", actions speak louder than words, you'd have to be a fool to believe him after so long without success and years of promises tbh.

The emotional bond thing is b*llocks sorry, they only have one career and they're not going to choose a club with no chance of winning and no ambition, silverware is a greater pull than any supposed emotional bond in the end.

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

:lol: So your articles are fine but that one isn't, have you listened to yourself?

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no its the people in the articles. one is the barcalona manager, the other is an annoymous source. which one do you listen to if you are a player?

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The relationship with Wenger is iirelevant, Wenger has great relationships with loads of players but they still leave without a 2nd thought. I can't see us winning another trophy under Wenger, I said that quite a while ago and he's yet to show me any different.

We won't sign these big name players you mention, never have, never will, it's not Wenger's style either. You think it's as easy as saying "if you come you'll win trophies with us"....let me put it out there but perhaps he might say, "Arsene you say this but Arsenal haven't won a trophy for a long time and when I was with Arsenal it never happened", actions speak louder than words, you'd have to be a fool to believe him after so long without success and years of promises tbh.

The emotional bond thing is b*llocks sorry, they only have one career and they're not going to choose a club with no chance of winning and no ambition, silverware is a greater pull than any supposed emotional bond in the end.

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fair enough, but as you say actions speak louder tehn words, so if wenger said, ive actually signed suarez/higuain tahts an action that could convince him.

some players have walked out while having a great relationship thats true. but like fans, there are actually some players out there who might be all about the glory. fans arent glory hunters, some players might not be either, there is that possibilty too.

he has one career true, hes won a few trophies now, so he might want to come back and do something else, and that something else is win a trophy and be a hero not just win a trophy.

Don't care about the Cesc part.

But the latter part confirms what we all knew.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

on cesc - it shows the two of them have clearly been talking, and that wenger will most likely activate the release clause if he can. given there is more to the quote then you posted.

on the others, thats not an encouraging quote, but who listens to wenger anyway, those that claim he is full of bullshit will take this quote as gospel. its just him being wumger, remember he denied knowing who cazorla was about two days before signing him. its worrying but ill judge in september.

on the city signing players we are linked with, only one is jovetic and i dont think he is offically signed yet, the others are hardly world class signings either.

higuain wont go to chelsea, tahts for sure, you dont want to leave madrid because the manager doesnt play you enough, to then go and play for that same manager

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You are either Arsene Wenger himself or his son/daughter! There is no way in hell a man can be so naive... I havent met Americans who are half as naive as you. You need to be an advocate of positive thinking at terminally ill patients ward!

You will judge Wenger in September? 8 years of BS was not enough?? May be he will sign some douche bag on Aug 31... you know whats going to happen next? There is the settling period because whoever we sign will need a whole fucking season to be what he is supposed to be. Where will we be at? Square fucking one! :ilt: