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My point being is he won't want to stay without the two things I have mentioned. I think he is confident that he will achieve both. Within the last two weeks he's got to the FA cup final and a top four spot is whilst not nailed down, in our own hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Do I think he has overstayed his welcome? Yes do I think he should be forced out if we win the FA cup? No.
If it annoys Zim then I'm all for it :d
Seriously, if we win the FA Cup and finish 4th then it will have been a decent season. One could argue he'd deserve a chance to build on that, especially having got the monkey off our back of not winning trophies. Anything else and he should go.
Because he's meeting their targets. If he wasn't, he'd have been out long ago. He has kept us top 4 which seems to be what the board expects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I know, you don't care, but the wider footballing world does if you look at the money clubs are throwing around to get there. A 'top 4' is a completely artificial thing which has been created by the CL but we are where we are and like it or not it is recognised, not just at Arsenal, as an achievement.
I don't think many managers at this level would have kept their job having not won a trophy for this long.
But I don't think many managers would lose their job if they finish 4th and win the FA Cup, if that's what happens.
You're right he's meeting their targets, their target is clearly money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It's not just about this season, though the calamitous collapse leaving us fighting for 4th and the spankings have been pretty poor, it's about the clear lack of change, willingness to adapt or recognise the failings, this is where the problem lies, whether we get 4th and win the FA Cup or not the failings still remain.
I agree but it's a fine marginQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
We could turn around at the end of the season, and Chelsea who completely dismantled us end up winning nothing, and we win a piece of silverware.
Same with Man City, I certainly regard the FA cup as bigger than the league cup
And in the final analysis it could be that all our poor peformances away from home won't actually prove all that significant.
I agree with you to an extent, but they still show a lack of competitiveness and some problems which IMO from history we just won't solve, indeed Wenger seems to insinuate these were one off results which shouldn't be too concerning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
I don't know, after 9 years I think these issues are very relevant to the level of progress, I'd expect better after such a long time to get it right. I think Man City and Chelsea have both stuttered this season, maybe it's to be expected with new managers in charge so their seasons haven't been that great, but we need to look at our own season and progress which IMO is minimal if there is any.
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"I told you!"
Well....
You just see...
I agree with you in that I believe they are significant results as well as it shows this is a man who cannot cut it against the sides he wants to finish ahead of, what i mean is they may prove not to significant in terms of this season because of ending up in a situation where Chelsea have trounced us and finish no better off than us etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
These things tend to be black and white, and the bones of it is it will be seen that 4th and fa cup is an improvement on simply 4th which is what we achieved last season.
Is it good enough?....No of course not, the FA cup will paper over the fact that this season has been a disappointing one but i'll take it simply because as fans it's the very least we deserve after nine years (assuming of course we win it, and i'm not counting my chickens on this one).
Oh no, please wake me up from this nightmare and tell me I was just having a bad dream. Two more years of thrashings, fighting for 4th place Premier/CL qualifier Trophy, more crap players on the cheap and poor football with no pace or zip. This is bad news, why do we rely on this man as theonly person that can manage Arsnal? I got up in a good mood this mornng but now I just feel so low and nothing to look forward too for the next 2 seasons atleast. Fucking hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why couldnt he have don the decent thing and moved up stairs end of season and identify a new young aspiring manager. Bollox.
Great news.