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I disagree completely, what benefit is there to this "we shouldn't wash our dirty laundry in public approach". The players aren't trying, the manager is a law unto himself, the board don't seem to give a fuck.....who are we meant to be trying to protect here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
AFtv is there to showcase fans opinion, not to obscure it. If we were in Chelsea`s position today marching towards a possible double with confidence, what do you think the fans mindset would be?. There is a cancer eating away at this club. Wishing it away wont make it go away. Every team in the EPL that has let its manager go recently has seen an upturn in fortunes. Now some teams that were a certainty to go down like Palace are out of it. Hull, Swansea have a chance and Leicester may end up mid table. The only clubs in freefall who havent changed managers are us and Sunderland. One is going to be relegated. The other will likely not even qualify for Europe next season.
I don't want to qualify for Europe next season. We need a complete reset and the fewer fixtures we have next season the better.
This team really needs to get right back to the fundamentals of how football is played. The kind of work you'd expect to be doing at schoolboy level.
To have a body of work that includes having won doubles and to end up where we are now is unbelievable.
Exactly. From doubles on the pitch to doubles in the bar to drown sorrows, and all under the one manager. Yet the question remains, should Wenger stay or go? That's even more unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
AFTV is absurd.
They don't canvass fan opinion, they just reach out to 5-6 characters to give their views.
Great entertainment but it's not reality.
I honestly don't see the rationale behind not wanting to be in Europe next season or, indeed, qualifying for the champions league.
If our hopes are realised and we do get a better manager in over the summer (e.g. Allegri) then what's to say he won't get us a damn sight further than Wenger in the competition?
Benitez won it in his first full season at Liverpool and di Matteo won it taking over mid-season at Chelsea.
It's just a "cut off your nose to spite your face" philosophy to not want to be in the Champions League next season
No its not. Wenger is the ultimate straw clutcher, There will be no new manager if We even get 6th. Wenger will claim it is a blip. I am not worried anyway. There is no way this team will finish any place above 6th, maybe as low as 8th if Sanchez is out longer than a month. With 50 points we cant get relegated. Any position is worth it to see that anchor lifted from our club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
"Any position is worth it"? Are you serious? So we should all just give up going?
I thought the fundamentals of support was to be there through thick and thin. Wenger is right on one point- this is a uniquely bad patch, particularly under his tenure.
We can't give up doing the job we have to do as fans
The truth is, Wenger has left us in a totally shit state. The team couldn't win a pillow fight, let alone fight its way to a CL win. There's no point us being in that tournament with the squad in the state it's in. No point except money, which is the root of the problem anyway. Added to that, we've sunk so low in terms of ambition that a 4th place finish might be viewed as enough "success" to reappoint this terrible, terrible manager for another two, potentially ruinous years. Now that years of Wenger's mismanagement have finally pushed the club into the downward dive that was aways likely, you can see how fast we are sinking. Another two years is unthinkable. Wenger has to go and the club needs to get back to the basics of football. That means putting together a sound squad that can compete in this league, plus bringing in a manager to organise a proper challenge. After that we can think about Europe but on a competitive level, unlike in recent years where we were just making up the numbers. There's nothing to be gained from 4th place, except maybe an easier ride in the transfer market with mercenaries who want guarantees, but there's plenty that can be lost including more of the club's diminishing prestige. I don't want us to lose but I'm not in the least bit bothered we won't be winning that ridiculous and hateful 4th Place Trophy again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto
Wenger is right about nothing. Surely, surely, surely, for heavens sake, you have noticed this by now? What is it going to take before the majority of fans see this man for what he has become? Wenger is not a holy figure, he's a football manager. He's an employee. He's not doing his job, we need to find somebody else. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernesto